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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting Chris as well as providing some information to help further combat some of the misinformation out there about Catholics United.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting Chris as well as providing some information to help further combat some of the misinformation out there about Catholics United.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Korzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Korzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catholics who are part of this thread should remember that there&#039;s room for a diversity of opinions about how best to represent the social justice teachings of our church in public policy.  It&#039;s important for us to have an open and &lt;em&gt;honest&lt;/em&gt; conversation about the issues of our day.  We don&#039;t have to agree, but we do have to respect one another and do our best to be truthful at all times.

We cross a line when we start calling those who disagree with us bad Catholics, and when we allow our politics to determine our faith.

To those on this thread who are casting stones at our organization, I encourage you to do some actual truth seeking of your own.  Catholic League president Bill Donohue earns more than $350,000 per year spouting political propaganda.  He knows that Catholics United has never received a dime from Mr. Soros, as well as the fact that Mr. Soros has donated generously to Catholic Charities.  Regardless, Donohue insists on perpetuating these falsehoods.

In this respect, Mr. Donohue has much in common with those who insist that the health care reform act will fund abortion.  The experts agree that it will not, and as far as I can tell, the only ones who believe otherwise have a vested political interest in cementing the abortion funding myth in the public mind.  Indeed, the National Republican Congressional Committee was one of the first organizations to announce a campaign to exploit this myth in the upcoming elections.  Other so-called &quot;pro-life&quot; groups merely followed the NRCC&#039;s lead.

Chris Korzen
Executive Director
Catholics United</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catholics who are part of this thread should remember that there&#8217;s room for a diversity of opinions about how best to represent the social justice teachings of our church in public policy.  It&#8217;s important for us to have an open and <em>honest</em> conversation about the issues of our day.  We don&#8217;t have to agree, but we do have to respect one another and do our best to be truthful at all times.</p>
<p>We cross a line when we start calling those who disagree with us bad Catholics, and when we allow our politics to determine our faith.</p>
<p>To those on this thread who are casting stones at our organization, I encourage you to do some actual truth seeking of your own.  Catholic League president Bill Donohue earns more than $350,000 per year spouting political propaganda.  He knows that Catholics United has never received a dime from Mr. Soros, as well as the fact that Mr. Soros has donated generously to Catholic Charities.  Regardless, Donohue insists on perpetuating these falsehoods.</p>
<p>In this respect, Mr. Donohue has much in common with those who insist that the health care reform act will fund abortion.  The experts agree that it will not, and as far as I can tell, the only ones who believe otherwise have a vested political interest in cementing the abortion funding myth in the public mind.  Indeed, the National Republican Congressional Committee was one of the first organizations to announce a campaign to exploit this myth in the upcoming elections.  Other so-called &#8220;pro-life&#8221; groups merely followed the NRCC&#8217;s lead.</p>
<p>Chris Korzen<br />
Executive Director<br />
Catholics United</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saul Alinsky, Pam? Another Glenn Beck talking point. If you come up with your own thoughts lemme know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saul Alinsky, Pam? Another Glenn Beck talking point. If you come up with your own thoughts lemme know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve posted the information from Politifact that disputes the claims made.  This is why it would have been nice to have remained on topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted the information from Politifact that disputes the claims made.  This is why it would have been nice to have remained on topic.</p>
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		<title>By: truthseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of immoral things are legal.  If the morality of this murder were not a NATIONAL continuing argument - there would be NO REASON for &quot;Catholics United&quot; to do anything on behalf of select congressional candidates on this topic.  You can&#039;t slice and dice and separate Catholics United and the misinformation they are spreading from the reasons they are doing so.  The Catholic League says this is a leftist group who, among other things, accepts money from what Catholic League calls a religious bigot, George Soros, in order to fight pro-lifers.  This is all very pertinent to the question of whether &quot;Catholics United&quot; is telling the truth, for one thing.  And pertinent to the question of why Kathy Dahlkemper of Pennsylvania is not producing evidence that taxpayer dollars are/are not going to be used for abortions in Pennsylvania.

I posted a link in #18 that indicates that Catholics United is not telling the truth on this topic - nobody has responded to that.  Nobody has posted anything by Dahlkemper of PA refuting it.  Pro lifers are also frustrated by dishonesty, when it comes to this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of immoral things are legal.  If the morality of this murder were not a NATIONAL continuing argument &#8211; there would be NO REASON for &#8220;Catholics United&#8221; to do anything on behalf of select congressional candidates on this topic.  You can&#8217;t slice and dice and separate Catholics United and the misinformation they are spreading from the reasons they are doing so.  The Catholic League says this is a leftist group who, among other things, accepts money from what Catholic League calls a religious bigot, George Soros, in order to fight pro-lifers.  This is all very pertinent to the question of whether &#8220;Catholics United&#8221; is telling the truth, for one thing.  And pertinent to the question of why Kathy Dahlkemper of Pennsylvania is not producing evidence that taxpayer dollars are/are not going to be used for abortions in Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>I posted a link in #18 that indicates that Catholics United is not telling the truth on this topic &#8211; nobody has responded to that.  Nobody has posted anything by Dahlkemper of PA refuting it.  Pro lifers are also frustrated by dishonesty, when it comes to this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa is right...abortion is legal.  

It is a medical procedure.  If only other more costly, less effective medical procedures had been/would be discussed with this much interest, everyone&#039;s healthcare bills would be lower today.

Geeze, I hate being a realist.

mj

ps...Ya know, the healthcare system, even the Cathoilc one would be obligated to treat (and cover) the client after a botched abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa is right&#8230;abortion is legal.  </p>
<p>It is a medical procedure.  If only other more costly, less effective medical procedures had been/would be discussed with this much interest, everyone&#8217;s healthcare bills would be lower today.</p>
<p>Geeze, I hate being a realist.</p>
<p>mj</p>
<p>ps&#8230;Ya know, the healthcare system, even the Cathoilc one would be obligated to treat (and cover) the client after a botched abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abortion is legal.

This thread is not about changing the law on abortion, it is about how the new healthcare system will be able to use private insurers, that for the most part do cover elective abortions, without using federal funding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abortion is legal.</p>
<p>This thread is not about changing the law on abortion, it is about how the new healthcare system will be able to use private insurers, that for the most part do cover elective abortions, without using federal funding.</p>
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		<title>By: truthseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choice to do what?  Kill a baby.  And the baby had what &quot;choice&quot; in the matter?

I could post reams of stuff by Dr. Nathanson (above), who is more knowledgeable on this issue than anyone posting here.  One of his memorable comments was that when NARAL was plotting strategy early on, someone suggested the phrase &quot;It&#039;s a woman&#039;s choice&quot; and everybody around that conference table laughed out loud, because (Nathanson&#039;s description) none of them thought the American public would ever buy something so transparently stupid.

The Arizona law is &quot;the law&quot;, therefore by the &quot;it&#039;s the law&quot; reasoning, it should never be overturned or discussed - everybody should just have their opinion and be left alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Choice to do what?  Kill a baby.  And the baby had what &#8220;choice&#8221; in the matter?</p>
<p>I could post reams of stuff by Dr. Nathanson (above), who is more knowledgeable on this issue than anyone posting here.  One of his memorable comments was that when NARAL was plotting strategy early on, someone suggested the phrase &#8220;It&#8217;s a woman&#8217;s choice&#8221; and everybody around that conference table laughed out loud, because (Nathanson&#8217;s description) none of them thought the American public would ever buy something so transparently stupid.</p>
<p>The Arizona law is &#8220;the law&#8221;, therefore by the &#8220;it&#8217;s the law&#8221; reasoning, it should never be overturned or discussed &#8211; everybody should just have their opinion and be left alone.</p>
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		<title>By: SensorG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SensorG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Truth&quot;seeker-
One – NO I know is &quot;Pro-abortion&quot;, we&#039;re pro-choice and think that the decision should be between a woman and her doctor.

Two - The White house isn&#039;t fighting the AZ law on &quot;Moral&quot; grounds.  It&#039;s fighting it on the constitutional grounds that individual states can&#039;t enact and/or enforce their own immigration laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Truth&#8221;seeker-<br />
One – NO I know is &#8220;Pro-abortion&#8221;, we&#8217;re pro-choice and think that the decision should be between a woman and her doctor.</p>
<p>Two &#8211; The White house isn&#8217;t fighting the AZ law on &#8220;Moral&#8221; grounds.  It&#8217;s fighting it on the constitutional grounds that individual states can&#8217;t enact and/or enforce their own immigration laws.</p>
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		<title>By: truthseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction - in the quote above, had intended to substitute the word &quot;slavery&quot; for the word &quot;abortion&quot;.  

If people should always be allowed to keep something legal that is morally wrong, then the Civil War should not have been fought.  That&#039;s so simple a ten-year-old could understand it.  The Dred Scot decision was scrapped.  Roe v Wade will one day be scrapped.  And by the way - isn&#039;t the Arizona immigration law being fought by this White House - and on MORAL grounds???  That is all in answer to the &quot;it&#039;s the law&quot; point.  &quot;It&#039;s the law&quot; is of NO interest to liberals when it&#039;s a law they don&#039;t like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction &#8211; in the quote above, had intended to substitute the word &#8220;slavery&#8221; for the word &#8220;abortion&#8221;.  </p>
<p>If people should always be allowed to keep something legal that is morally wrong, then the Civil War should not have been fought.  That&#8217;s so simple a ten-year-old could understand it.  The Dred Scot decision was scrapped.  Roe v Wade will one day be scrapped.  And by the way &#8211; isn&#8217;t the Arizona immigration law being fought by this White House &#8211; and on MORAL grounds???  That is all in answer to the &#8220;it&#8217;s the law&#8221; point.  &#8220;It&#8217;s the law&#8221; is of NO interest to liberals when it&#8217;s a law they don&#8217;t like.</p>
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