Comments on: Another teenager out after curfew dies at the hand of another… http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2010/02/another-teenager-out-after-curfew-dies-at-the-hand-of-another/ Wed, 18 Aug 2010 02:25:57 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: dalepertcheck http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2010/02/another-teenager-out-after-curfew-dies-at-the-hand-of-another/#comment-353692 dalepertcheck Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:34:30 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=11783#comment-353692 The law is clear on this. Children under 18 are the responsibility of their parents. If a child is proved to have damaged property or to have stolen something of value, the parents can be sued to pay for the damage or loss. From my experience, an extremely small number of children are born with a brain that is so miswired that they are dangerous almost from birth both to others and to themselves. Most children become violent because of the environment in which they live. This IS the direct responsibility of the parents. Unless and until we recognize this as factual, and hold parents criminally accountable when they have children who are overly violent, I can't see the problem getting better at all! BTW...keep in mind that most parents get it right! Few children are chronically violent. It's time to stop coddling, not only the violent children, but also their parents! Really? Is anybody happy about the level of violence in our community or our nation? Don't we want to decrease this distressful problem? Does anyone have any better ideas? I'm willing to listen! The law is clear on this. Children under 18 are the responsibility of their parents. If a child is proved to have damaged property or to have stolen something of value, the parents can be sued to pay for the damage or loss.

From my experience, an extremely small number of children are born with a brain that is so miswired that they are dangerous almost from birth both to others and to themselves. Most children become violent because of the environment in which they live. This IS the direct responsibility of the parents. Unless and until we recognize this as factual, and hold parents criminally accountable when they have children who are overly violent, I can’t see the problem getting better at all!

BTW…keep in mind that most parents get it right! Few children are chronically violent. It’s time to stop coddling, not only the violent children, but also their parents! Really? Is anybody happy about the level of violence in our community or our nation? Don’t we want to decrease this distressful problem? Does anyone have any better ideas? I’m willing to listen!

]]> By: LisaRenee http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2010/02/another-teenager-out-after-curfew-dies-at-the-hand-of-another/#comment-353654 LisaRenee Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:09:06 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=11783#comment-353654 He was at the home of Hand, I don't believe that she is a relative. He was at the home of Hand, I don’t believe that she is a relative.

]]> By: Robin http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2010/02/another-teenager-out-after-curfew-dies-at-the-hand-of-another/#comment-353648 Robin Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:17:31 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=11783#comment-353648 I thought this kid was visiting a relative. Would this count as being out after curfew? I thought this kid was visiting a relative. Would this count as being out after curfew?

]]> By: Ken Tyrone http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2010/02/another-teenager-out-after-curfew-dies-at-the-hand-of-another/#comment-353625 Ken Tyrone Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:16:27 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=11783#comment-353625 What are parents supposed to do? Lock the kids in their rooms at night? Put bars on their windows - not to keep people out, but to keep them in? It's not always the parent's fault. Like Smith's grandmother said, it was the choices Smith made that resulted in his death. And, how did DeFalco get off with the Receiving Stolen Property charge? If he were in jail this incident would have never happened. What are parents supposed to do?

Lock the kids in their rooms at night? Put bars on their windows – not to keep people out, but to keep them in?

It’s not always the parent’s fault. Like Smith’s grandmother said, it was the choices Smith made that resulted in his death.

And, how did DeFalco get off with the Receiving Stolen Property charge? If he were in jail this incident would have never happened.

]]> By: Doug http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2010/02/another-teenager-out-after-curfew-dies-at-the-hand-of-another/#comment-353624 Doug Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:38:32 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=11783#comment-353624 Has there been any research or study on the effectiveness of the curfew laws in Toledo? I am always dubious of laws that punish large groups of people for the possible actions of a few. Here is an interesting <a href="http://www.youthrights.org/curfewana.php" rel="nofollow">article</a> I read after reading this story about curfews. Was he vioating curfew really? From the story, it looks like he was visiting a friends house, Rico Florez. It does not say where he was going after that and if he was going home wouldn't that be within the law since he was going from one adult supervised activity to his home? Has there been any research or study on the effectiveness of the curfew laws in Toledo? I am always dubious of laws that punish large groups of people for the possible actions of a few. Here is an interesting article I read after reading this story about curfews.

Was he vioating curfew really? From the story, it looks like he was visiting a friends house, Rico Florez. It does not say where he was going after that and if he was going home wouldn’t that be within the law since he was going from one adult supervised activity to his home?

]]> By: dalepertcheck http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2010/02/another-teenager-out-after-curfew-dies-at-the-hand-of-another/#comment-353614 dalepertcheck Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:29:19 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=11783#comment-353614 Are we ever, as a society, going to hold parents responsible when their underaged children violate laws? Few violations result in someone's death, but, so sadly, some do. Are we ever going to charge parents with neglect when their underaged child is killed while violating the law. The curfew is a law! Are we ever going to charge parents as accessories, or as aiding and abetting, or, at least, with neglect, when their underaged children kill someone? No! I don't think that charging parents would make the violence end. However, I strongly believe that more parents would take their parental duties more seriously, and less people would die. Is this not worth doing, even if, by doing so, we save only one life? How much is each of our lives worth? Are we ever, as a society, going to hold parents responsible when their underaged children violate laws? Few violations result in someone’s death, but, so sadly, some do. Are we ever going to charge parents with neglect when their underaged child is killed while violating the law. The curfew is a law! Are we ever going to charge parents as accessories, or as aiding and abetting, or, at least, with neglect, when their underaged children kill someone?

No! I don’t think that charging parents would make the violence end. However, I strongly believe that more parents would take their parental duties more seriously, and less people would die. Is this not worth doing, even if, by doing so, we save only one life? How much is each of our lives worth?

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