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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/12/selectivity-on-steroids-could-we-just-be-honest/#comment-349165</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go ahead and yell at me Lisa, or delete my post,or give me a time out.. but truly, truthseeker, Francis, Mr. or Mrs. Smith...

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I&#039;m sorry, I know name calling is a sign of ignorance but I just can&#039;t take it. 

Sorry, forgive me, I apologize but I don&#039;t regret writing it. It needed to be said.  UGH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go ahead and yell at me Lisa, or delete my post,or give me a time out.. but truly, truthseeker, Francis, Mr. or Mrs. Smith&#8230;</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I know name calling is a sign of ignorance but I just can&#8217;t take it. </p>
<p>Sorry, forgive me, I apologize but I don&#8217;t regret writing it. It needed to be said.  UGH!</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/12/selectivity-on-steroids-could-we-just-be-honest/#comment-349158</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if you did not share advice on what a &quot;real man&quot; was it would have not created the gender confusion.  

Your long time friend is incorrect on the insurance aspect, as previously pointed out, I&#039;ve actually spoken to Mr. Olman on this.  Further, it&#039;s not logical to expect someone who had better coverage for free would want to keep less that comes at a cost.  It&#039;s also been told to at least one Blade reporter who has opted to not include that in any of the coverage.   

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if you did not share advice on what a &#8220;real man&#8221; was it would have not created the gender confusion.  </p>
<p>Your long time friend is incorrect on the insurance aspect, as previously pointed out, I&#8217;ve actually spoken to Mr. Olman on this.  Further, it&#8217;s not logical to expect someone who had better coverage for free would want to keep less that comes at a cost.  It&#8217;s also been told to at least one Blade reporter who has opted to not include that in any of the coverage.   </p>
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		<title>By: truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/12/selectivity-on-steroids-could-we-just-be-honest/#comment-349156</link>
		<dc:creator>truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bobmc - actually I was making a personal point, and the person I was making the point to knows who they are, although they appear to be a little shaky on privacy and stalking laws.

Anyway - here&#039;s something you may not have considered about the blogosphere.  Just because somebody posts with a name like, say bobmc, or samantha, I never assume that the first is a guy and the 2nd a gal.  That the first reason I choose non-gender-specific handles - as do the majority of posters on the majority of posting sites.  The second reason is that I believe ideas should stand or fall on their own.  The only thing about most online discussions that interest me is what is being stated or argued.  I couldn&#039;t care less whether you or anyone else are a man or woman, have a good paying job, drive an expensive car or anything else.  If you are not a public figure, collecting money from the taxpayer - I don&#039;t even want to know.  I only care what the argument or discussion at hand is, and how people defend their positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bobmc &#8211; actually I was making a personal point, and the person I was making the point to knows who they are, although they appear to be a little shaky on privacy and stalking laws.</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; here&#8217;s something you may not have considered about the blogosphere.  Just because somebody posts with a name like, say bobmc, or samantha, I never assume that the first is a guy and the 2nd a gal.  That the first reason I choose non-gender-specific handles &#8211; as do the majority of posters on the majority of posting sites.  The second reason is that I believe ideas should stand or fall on their own.  The only thing about most online discussions that interest me is what is being stated or argued.  I couldn&#8217;t care less whether you or anyone else are a man or woman, have a good paying job, drive an expensive car or anything else.  If you are not a public figure, collecting money from the taxpayer &#8211; I don&#8217;t even want to know.  I only care what the argument or discussion at hand is, and how people defend their positions.</p>
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		<title>By: bobmc</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/12/selectivity-on-steroids-could-we-just-be-honest/#comment-349152</link>
		<dc:creator>bobmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Seeker...I stand corrected on your gender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Seeker&#8230;I stand corrected on your gender.</p>
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		<title>By: truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/12/selectivity-on-steroids-could-we-just-be-honest/#comment-349145</link>
		<dc:creator>truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, by the way, my name is Frances Smith....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way, my name is Frances Smith&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: truthseeker</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/12/selectivity-on-steroids-could-we-just-be-honest/#comment-349143</link>
		<dc:creator>truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DDL - Yes the percentages are stated in the link I provided in #37.  My own paperwork, which I still have, calls it a &quot;refund&quot;.  I only included that personal comment to indicate that I&#039;m not personally completely in the dark about PERS.

One thing should be clarified, as my posts were intended to defend Stainbrook and the Blade&#039;s grasp of facts.  A long-time friend who was peripherally involved in Ohio politics a couple decades ago e-mailed me, in part, the following last nite:

&quot;In answer to your question, yes, I believe the Blade was on solid ground in saying that Mr. Olman doesn&#039;t want to give up his county-paid insurance.  What they did on the blog was adroitly change the subject on you.  The Blade and you were talking about 2009, in the event Stainbrook deposed Olman.  Whereas, they turned the discussion back to a question of whether Olman took the position to get the insurance, which of course he didn&#039;t, thereby making him appear unconcerned about losing insurance now in 2009, which of course he is not (not unconcerned that is).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DDL &#8211; Yes the percentages are stated in the link I provided in #37.  My own paperwork, which I still have, calls it a &#8220;refund&#8221;.  I only included that personal comment to indicate that I&#8217;m not personally completely in the dark about PERS.</p>
<p>One thing should be clarified, as my posts were intended to defend Stainbrook and the Blade&#8217;s grasp of facts.  A long-time friend who was peripherally involved in Ohio politics a couple decades ago e-mailed me, in part, the following last nite:</p>
<p>&#8220;In answer to your question, yes, I believe the Blade was on solid ground in saying that Mr. Olman doesn&#8217;t want to give up his county-paid insurance.  What they did on the blog was adroitly change the subject on you.  The Blade and you were talking about 2009, in the event Stainbrook deposed Olman.  Whereas, they turned the discussion back to a question of whether Olman took the position to get the insurance, which of course he didn&#8217;t, thereby making him appear unconcerned about losing insurance now in 2009, which of course he is not (not unconcerned that is).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks DeeDee, I&#039;ve spent some time reading information at the PERS website as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks DeeDee, I&#8217;ve spent some time reading information at the PERS website as well.</p>
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		<title>By: DeeDee Liedel</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/12/selectivity-on-steroids-could-we-just-be-honest/#comment-349113</link>
		<dc:creator>DeeDee Liedel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify the PERS issues from someone who is currently (for only two more days!) paying into PERS.  Under PERS, the employer (the government) pays a percentage - I think it&#039;s currently 14% in to the retirement fund, while the employee pays a percentage - currently at around 10% I believe.  Some unions have negotiated contracts whereby the employer pays both the employer and employee portion (or a part thereof).  So, 24% of a government employee&#039;s salary/wages goes in to PERS, from some source.  

The &#039;refund&#039; truthseeker is referring to, I believe, is not really a refund - it is an employee&#039;s option (up until a certain length of service) to &#039;withdraw&#039; the portion of contribution that the employee paid in while working once employment is terminated.  This amount can also be rolled over in to an IRA instead of a cash withdrawal.  So the &#039;refund&#039; is basically an early withdrawal of retirement funds, kind of like taking money out of your IRA early - you get hit with a penalty and income tax on the amount taken out.  An employee (or former employee) can not withdraw that portion of contribution paid in to PERS by the employer; that is forfeited and goes to support the system as a whole.  (Not sure about the situations where the employer pays both employer and employee portion - whether that &#039;employee&#039; portion is subject to withdrawal after separation from employment.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify the PERS issues from someone who is currently (for only two more days!) paying into PERS.  Under PERS, the employer (the government) pays a percentage &#8211; I think it&#8217;s currently 14% in to the retirement fund, while the employee pays a percentage &#8211; currently at around 10% I believe.  Some unions have negotiated contracts whereby the employer pays both the employer and employee portion (or a part thereof).  So, 24% of a government employee&#8217;s salary/wages goes in to PERS, from some source.  </p>
<p>The &#8216;refund&#8217; truthseeker is referring to, I believe, is not really a refund &#8211; it is an employee&#8217;s option (up until a certain length of service) to &#8216;withdraw&#8217; the portion of contribution that the employee paid in while working once employment is terminated.  This amount can also be rolled over in to an IRA instead of a cash withdrawal.  So the &#8216;refund&#8217; is basically an early withdrawal of retirement funds, kind of like taking money out of your IRA early &#8211; you get hit with a penalty and income tax on the amount taken out.  An employee (or former employee) can not withdraw that portion of contribution paid in to PERS by the employer; that is forfeited and goes to support the system as a whole.  (Not sure about the situations where the employer pays both employer and employee portion &#8211; whether that &#8216;employee&#8217; portion is subject to withdrawal after separation from employment.)</p>
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		<title>By: bobmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Seeker...the 14% taxpayer contribution to PERS which you cite is a negotiated part of a labor agreement in most cases.  Some contracts are less.
Kind of like any product that you purchase includes in the markup dollars for employee benefits.  By the way, you sound like you had a bad day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Seeker&#8230;the 14% taxpayer contribution to PERS which you cite is a negotiated part of a labor agreement in most cases.  Some contracts are less.<br />
Kind of like any product that you purchase includes in the markup dollars for employee benefits.  By the way, you sound like you had a bad day.</p>
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		<title>By: kateb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kateb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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