Mayor forms six-person committee on TPD and Community Mental Health…
This in via e-mail from the office of the Mayor:
Mayor Carty Finkbeiner announced today the appointment of a six-person committee to study how the Toledo Police Department and the mental health community can improve the communication system, ongoing working relationship, and training of police officers responding to calls involving the mentally ill.
Members of the committee are:
Toledo Police Chief Mike Navarre
Captain Ray Carroll, Toledo Police Department
Jacqueline Martin, Executive Director. Mental Health and Recovery Services Board of Lucas County
Juanita Greene, Executive Director, Board of Community Relations
Rev. Robert Culp, First Church of God
Rev. Donald L. Perryman, Center of Hope Baptist
Mayor Finkbeiner commented:
“The challenges of mental illness and the treatment of same, requires special education and sensitivity training. Chief Navarre and Director Martin both wish to prevent any unnecessary harm to either the mentally ill or police officers responding to crises situations involving the mentally ill. Both believe that our present environment can be improved.”
The committee will meet this upcoming week in the Mayor’s office for the first time.
It might have been better to name two psychologists instead of two preachers. You ain’t gonna pray your way out of this stuff …
December 18th, 2009 at 8:35 pmHahaha, good one sujay. Another worthless committee.
December 18th, 2009 at 8:40 pmI agree with Sujay. This is typical of the Finkbeiner administration – all noise, no action.
December 18th, 2009 at 9:15 pmGood idea Carty; however,Wrong people on the Committee as stated
in earlier comments.
Professionals from the Rescue Mental
December 18th, 2009 at 10:24 pmHealth Services need to be on that
Committee and involved dealing with
the Toledo Police crisis intervention
training and help! They are more of the experts than ministers!
Navarre or Jacquelyn Martin have no idea
how to talk with and deal with the mental health consumers or other Citizens the Toledo Police and/or other mental health staff go through day in and day out.
Along with Rescue Mental Health Services Professionals put several
December 18th, 2009 at 10:36 pmToledo Police Officers on the Committee!
Ministers are trained to listen,but are not trained in intervention crisis. It should be mandatory for Mike Navarre and all Toledo Police to be trained in resuce crisis. Not a mini course, but continued training. This would benefit them and The Public. Come to think of it, Carty could use training too! MS.Martin has no training in Mental Health, she just gives out money, and can’t do that right!
December 19th, 2009 at 7:57 amGuess Carty needs input of 2 ministers as the Catholic Church gives Last Rites
to people.
Carty believes mental health consumers
and in a crisis intervention someone will need to be there for the Last Rites??
Come on Carty, have people who actually
December 19th, 2009 at 8:33 amwork and deal with the mentally ill
consumer on a daily basis and not just
appoint people on a committee just to have it look as if you are doing something good just before you are no longer Mayor!
Funny you hear no comment from Knop,thought he cared? OH no SORRY, THAT WAS Wonderland. DD why, why why are your comments so interesting? Gives us room for thought!!
December 19th, 2009 at 9:05 amThe two ministers are on there probably because they were among those who called a press conference the other day on the shooting and the mental health concerns. Having representatives from the community on the panel is not a bad idea, however, I would have thought someone from an organization like Rescue Crisis would have been better to include since that is part of their core services.
December 19th, 2009 at 9:38 amYet, in the end it’s not going to matter since the Mayor is done in January so even if the panel reached some type of a conclusion before then? It’s up to the new Mayor and his administration to determine what’s next. It would have really been more appropriate for this to have come from the Mayor-elect.
December 19th, 2009 at 9:39 amI hope that Mike Bell, when he is sworn in as the new Mayor of Toledo, will make this issue one of the first issues that he and his team adresses.He can appt. people that he knows will give him some meaningful input to help PREVENT these tradgedys in the future. He may even have a better way.
This IS a Serious Community Issue. This situation with people that are mentally-ill, and acting out, could happen to anybody And/or our relatives and friends. I agree that Professionals in the mental health field, who have hands on experience.Maybe a policeman who works the streets should give in-put on real-life scenarios that they encounter.
I have relatives and friends who work in the mental health field,according to them, when a patient is “acting out” they do what they described as a “take down”. They said that a number of aides{?] get together and use pillows or whatever it takes to protect themselves and the patient, and they subdue the patient.
As far as the clergy being apart of this committee, IMHO, They just want to help and after all their members are just as concerned as we are on this blog,and they are complaining about it to their pastors, because this could happen to them or their loved ones.They also feel that if they were called to INTERVINE and re-direct their thoughts. At least that would give everybody more time so that COOLER HEADS COULD PREVAIL.
December 19th, 2009 at 10:48 amWonder why Jacquelyn Martin did not call for a News release herself??
That is because Martin and majority of local mental Health Professionals only initiate and want certain programs that have broadcasted such as the Toledo State Hospital Cemetery,Safe Haven, etc..
Then also Martin and local Lucas County
Mental Health Professional love their
code of silence on issues except when
they need, want, and beg for more money!
Of all the Lucas County Mental Health
Services in Lucas County is Rescue Mental Health Services and the best.
I have not ever heard of a Rescue Mental Health Services out in the field staff member
December 19th, 2009 at 11:05 amin Lucas County getting killed by a mental health consumer, have you??
Navarre can’t keep the drunk junkies off his own force..how’s he suppose to address mental patients?
December 19th, 2009 at 11:19 amMy question remains from a previous post; What government entity monitors group homes?
December 19th, 2009 at 11:30 amWhat are the qualifications of the staff?
Does anyone know the answer to the above? If there are monitoring reports where can they be accessed?
There are many professional organizations that provide traing in non-violent crisis prevention. One is the Crisis Prevention Institute (CPI) It does grind me that the religious are now up in arms about this one situation but where are they on a sustained basis will all the ills of society?
My question remains from a previous post; What government entity monitors group homes?
December 19th, 2009 at 11:30 amWhat are the qualifications of the staff?
Does anyone know the answer to the above? If there are monitoring reports where can they be accessed?
There are many professional organizations that provide traing in non-violent crisis prevention. One is the Crisis Prevention Institute (CPI) It does grind me that the religious are now up in arms about this one situation but where are they on a sustained basis will all the ills of society?
I just hope all these issuses are addressed!! Someone out there has to help before more tragic events happen. People on blog have made good comments,and ideas. Will it have any affect on Mayor, Police, Group Homes,Rescue Crisis, Mental Health System? One can hope?
December 19th, 2009 at 11:33 amTo my knowledge there are different types of group homes in Ohio.
Some group homes are by the Ohio Department of Mental Health, some by
Mental Health Agencies, some are opened up just by anyone who buys and owns one.
So are probably looked by by Ohio Department of Mental Health but others
December 19th, 2009 at 11:42 amlooked at by just the Ohio Department of Health for the group homes physical living conditions.
Start A Group Home Guidebook – Ohio
December 19th, 2009 at 12:31 pmhttp://www.grouphomeguidebook.com/
Depends on what type of group home concerning staff. Some are for people that need 24/7 care. Not sure if staff are nurses aids? Certified in Mental Health. Some group homes are on honor system after hours. Some sign in and out. What is Safe Haven??
December 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pmGROUP HOMES FOR THE MENTALLY ILL
REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO GROUP HOMES FOR PERSONS WITH MENTAL ILLNESS PART I – STATE APPROVAL SECTION 61.0 – PURPOSE The Department is issuing these regulations to promote the health …
http://www.dhss.delaware.gov/dhss/dsamh/files/mghstan.pdf
December 19th, 2009 at 12:50 pmYou asked “What is Safe Haven??
Neighborhood Properties, Inc. web site
regarding Safe Haven which they helped
build, open, and have some of their staff help and maintain it.
Since Neighborhood Properties, Inc. is
mainly involved with the Safe Haven in
Toledo, Ohio it is VERY QUESTIONABLE as to
how and when very much needed help by the tenants are given!
Click on Safe Haven at
December 19th, 2009 at 1:13 pmhttp://www.neighborhoodproperties.org
Heard of Neighboorhood Properties, thought they gave quality care to people with mental illness. Did not know about Safe haven. Thanks for all you info. Will check out web sites.
December 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pmHaving had contact with many of Neighborhood Properties, Inc. tenants
December 19th, 2009 at 1:59 pmliving in many of their individual
apartments for mental health tenants,
NPI has been widely known to give
satisfactory help to some of their chosen mental health consumers; however, a large majority of NPI tenants in individual apartments are ignorned
and given no respect at all.
Hi, y’all,
I know in Ohio all licensed living facilities that receive federal, or state monies for the clients they serve are surveyed, audited monitored by Ohio Department of Jobs and Family Services. Their offices locally are located at Gov. Center (9th floor, I think),
In Ohio there are multiple divisions of these facilities: Skilled Nursing Homes, Intermediate Care Facilities, Sub-Acute facilities, MR/DD homes, Assisted Living facilities for example.
To maintain licensure, franchise fees (bed taxes) must be paid, and renewal of licensure must be maintained as well as passing an on-site survey (LTC and AL and MR/DD facilities).
If there are complaints as to a particular facility, calls may be made to ODJFS and or the Ohio Ombudsman.
Employee specific requirements are specific to the licensure. For example, some facilities (LTC) require specific State Tested Nursing Assistants, Assisted Living facilities do not.
I also believe all the licensure is available on line.
Hope this helps, as at times this can be most confusing to sort out.
mj, RN
December 19th, 2009 at 2:33 pmOhio Department of Mental Health | Residential Facilities
http://www.mh.state.oh.us/what-we-do/protect-and-monitor/licensure-and-certification/residential-facilities.shtml
December 19th, 2009 at 4:16 pmUpdated: 12/19/2009 16:12:33
DD BOOTS Says:
Ohio Department of Mental Health | Residential Facilities
http://www.mh.state.oh.us/what-we-do/protect-and-monitor/licensure-and-certification/residential-facilities.shtml
Updated: 12/19/2009 16:12:33
DD Boots.#25
Hope I can address you as DD. Where have you been all our lives? With your ability to find pertinent research info combined with Lisa’s talent and the GLC, there should be no need for Toledo to not know where to find rules, regulations, information and guidelines that will help the city grow in the right direction. But by not utilizing all of these combined resources to find directions or solutions to our problems, it will show that there are other serious issues with those in charge. DD, your research talents will soon be needed on another serious issue for TPS. I will be in touch.
December 19th, 2009 at 5:31 pmWW and DD Boots;
You both are just what is needed. There are many more of you on this blog who have your own area of expertise, too,one person can’t do it alone, especially if you are in an elected position. Once you are elected you have to become one of “THEM”.iF YOU DON’T THEY CASTIGATE YOU.
“PEOPLE” It is time to build coalitions to get our city gov’t. and TPS under control, so that they start serving and representing our best interest. Nobody will do this for ‘US’” We are the ones that we have been waiting for”. At least thats what I have heard.[smile]
We just have to be consistent.
December 19th, 2009 at 8:08 pmThis situation with the 62 year old Mentally-ill person is really sad. IMHO, it was over-kill. What ever happened to Crisis Intervention, this woman was’t a criminal, and SHE DIDN’T have a gun. There was Way too much force in this case. This should have been handled differently. We, the citizens have to voice our concerns loudly, because as I have said before, this coud happen to anyone and/or, our, family, neighbors and friends.
Was it Ronald Reagan who turned all of these sick people into the streets? by doing away with the funds that enabled local gov’ts to care for them. This escalated the number of mentally -ill and homeless people with no health care on the streets.The families of these people had a hard time trying to get help for some of them because they were adults.
I had a friend ,that I worked with ,that had mental issues [this was in the 80's] When he would have a crisis and the police were called ,they would take him to some rescue crisis center,he was insured , They would treat him and let him go after a few hours. and they would not keep him. He would then go back home and start tearing up his home again.
December 19th, 2009 at 8:46 pmThey said that he was not a danger to himself so they couldn’t keep him. It was really sad. He lost his wife and his home because of his illness.
wwforlife & Missdeejay:
Thank you very much and happy that I could be of some help!
I have other websites and web pages pertaining to this topic but the ones
I have put on this Blog today are the
easiest to go through and read faster.
Missdeejay, the situation you descrbed
about the mental health patient still
exists and happens every day, day after
day in the Lucas County and Ohio Public
Mental Health System. Not just people in group homes but mental health consumers who are found apartments where they live alone
When they live alone many times they become unable to care for themselves,
disturb others with noise and other actions but unable to help themselves.
It is very sad to see but Mental Health Professionals and Police say they can do nothing unless they are going to harm themselves or others.
It is as you stated, Missdeejay it began back when they started to take the
individuals out of the state hospitals
and put mental health consumers in individuals in apartments alone or group homes. When this happened and to this day man mental health consumers end up in jail or prisons!
Then when the Lucas county Mental Health Board merged with the Substance
Abuse Board everything has gotten even
worse. Monies that were used for Mental Health Consumers are now also used for consumers also with Substance Abuse and traditional mental health consumers many places are housed right with or next to Substance Abuse tenants.
I have tried for quite a number of years now to get Professionals Mental Health Departments, Organizations and Boards, etc. to listen but they do not want to listen and just wants one to be quiet and just say they can do nothing.
As you stated to do, I after all this time and will continue to be consistent
December 19th, 2009 at 9:48 pmand persistent!
The question that nobody seems to be asking is why there is a rush to committee before the police department’s internal investigation is complete. Does this mean that there is a general consensus that such an investigation will be a whitewash?
Everyone seems to be ready and willing to make a rush to judgment for change in police education and policy regardless of whether all of the facts are known in this case. Is this because we don’t trust the city or the police department?
And in a city running a deficit of from 25 to 40 million dollars, where would the money come from to perform all of the training and oversight of these well-meaning, but perhaps premature recommendations?
As Lisa Renee stated however, this probably would have been best left to the Mayor-elect. The three weeks of the current mayor are barely the time the department says that they require to complete their investigation, and any study of the situation that occurred might best be started with the report generated by this investigation.
The rush to judgment by the Mayor about the size of the officers vs. the patient (among other things), and the need to fix a situation that he and few others yet understand are only a few of those that will not be missed when he departs at the end of the year.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:14 amTim Higgins:
I do not believe they are saying something was wrong or right about this one incident of the shooting of the 62 year old woman.
There have been several other shootings where mental health consumers
also were shot and died this year.
With so many of them in such as short period of time that is why a committee
has been formed.
However, with the changeover of the
Mayor I believe it needed to be left for the new Mayor, Mike Bell to appoint
the members of the Committee.
If one has followed what has been happening over the last few years, there has been a lack of communication and working closely together of the Police and Mental Health Professionals
and Public System.
Rescue Mental Health Services having the opportunity to work more closely with the Toledo Police seems like a solution that would be very helpful.
December 20th, 2009 at 1:29 amis the most logical helpful
Professionals.
Also, Mr. Higgins, along with training
December 20th, 2009 at 1:42 amand communication between the Toledo Police and Lucas County Mental Health System being addressed, what also needs to be addressed and investigated is the Lucas County Mental Health System’s actual treatment and care of the mental health consumers.
“Health Care Abuse
https://www.msu.edu/~gallag64/mentalhealthcare.html
From above website: “In Robert Pear’s article “Cost of Rampant Mental Health Care Fraud Soars in Medicare,” he details the problem of increasing fraud and misuse of Medicare funds. This issue touches on many aspects which we have covered thus far, most notably, I feel, concerning how this impedes upon the overall effectiveness of our government’s ability to distribute public funds efficiently and, indirectly, this dilemma effects every individual through increased taxes to pay for these fraudulent Medicare programs.
Pear reports that the annual cost of care for mental health centers has skyrocketed, from $60 million in 1993 to $349 million in 1997. In that same period, the annual expenditure per patient increased by over six times from, on average, $1,642 in 1993 to an outrageous $10,352 in 1997. The Department of Health and Human Services has determined that it will expel “80 community mental health centers from Medicare after finding that the program to provide psychiatric services to the elderly was riddled with fraud.” Apparently the expelling of these 80 mental health centers is just the tip of the iceberg. The Department of Health and Human Services has stated that it will look into all possibilities to cut this rampant growth of fraud and exploitation. One of the seemingly more obvious options that they are currently looking at would be the mandatory requirement of state licensing for community mental health centers, a current requirement for other health care providers who receive Medicare.
I think that this is one of the most incredible fraudulent expeditions I have ever seen. It blows my mind that the national government could let something like this go undetected for four years. According to June Gibbs Brown, inspector general of the Department for Health and Human Services, it was found that “91 percent of the payments last year (1997)…
(wwforlife: That was 10 years ago. Imagine the abuses now.)
were for ‘unallowable and highly questionable services. . . . Medicare was paying for therapy sessions that involved only recreational and diversionary activities such as drawing, arts and crafts, watching television, and playing bingo and other games.” I find this outrageous. I’m sure that over those four years as a larger and larger amount of the federal budget went towards these “mental health centers,” that each year a more substantial amount of the nation’s taxes went towards these criminal activities as well.”
December 20th, 2009 at 4:02 amI think they are working on that, wwforlife. From the November 9, 2009 article:
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/schumer-rice-push-for-medicare-fraud-crackdown-1.1576438 :
With the White House pushing for a health care reform bill by year’s end, Sen. Charles Schumer said Monday he’s backing legislation that cracks down on costly Medicaid and Medicare fraud.
The legislation – to be offered as an amendment to a comprehensive Senate health care reform bill – would beef up federal efforts to track, arrest and convict people who commit Medicare and Medicaid fraud…
and then there’s this: http://www.massdevice.com/news/feds-arrest-20-medicare-fraud-crackdown
Federal authorities in Los Angeles arrested 20 people, including several members of an Orange County, Calif., street gang, on charges of bilking Medicare through phony billings for power wheelchairs, hospital beds and orthotic devices.
In all, the defendants are accused of fraudulently receiving $26 million from the federal health program.
and this: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/12/16/2009-12-16_61m_medicare_fraud_crackdown_feds_arrest_26_in_sweeping_3state_bust.html :
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. – Federal agents arrested 26 suspects in three states Tuesday, including a doctor and nurses, in a major crackdown on Medicare fraud totaling $61 million in separate scams.
Arrests in Miami, Brooklyn and Detroit included a Florida doctor accused of running a $40 million home health care scheme that falsely listed patients as blind diabetics so that he could bill for twice-daily nurse visits.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:53 amTim Higgins,#30
Yes, to the first 2 paragraphs of your post. I DO NOT TRUST THE POWERS THAT BE to investigate and come out with the TRUTH, IF, it puts the Police in an unfavorable position. I expect a whitewash form the review board, what do you expect?
Remember Jeffery Turner, who died in Lucas County Jail on January 31, 2005, after being Tasered NINE times by Toledo Police and the LUcas County jail personnel. While being booked at the jail, and while surrounded by a number[?] of Toledo Police, I can’t forget how the Police [while on video camera at the jail] Tasered him so much that he yelled out ‘[”you’ll are trying to kill me”}The Police Tasered him 4 or 5 times and the Jail personnel tasered him the rest of the times to a grand total of Nine. IMHO,The police weren’t worried about being on video because they feel that they can operate with IMPUNITY and that type of attitude reflects from the TOP DOWN.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:38 amContinued;
December 20th, 2009 at 9:42 amI think that Jeffery Turner had some mental-health issues and the Police knew that too.
It does not appear Jeffrey Turner had mental health issues, at least not according to his family.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:45 amHere we go talking about money again!
MONEY IS NOT THE ISSUE AT ALL IN THE
December 20th, 2009 at 10:00 amCURRENT TRAGEDY ALONG WITH WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING WITH THE INADEQUATE CARE OF LUCAS COUNTY MENTAL HEALTH
CONSUMERS ALONG WITH THAT SYSTEM WORKING NOT CLOSELY AND WELL WITH THE TOLEDO POLICE!
Money is an issue, money is part of the reason that the Connecting Point had problems and the underfunding of community mental health services in this community as well as in the State is part of the problem. While management and communication is a factor and the situation could improve with a closer look at that, money will remain to be a part of this, as well as the question is the money that is being spent right now being utilized as it best can to provide services.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:13 amThis issue is the HUMAN INTERACTION, PROCEDURES AND PROFESSIONAL TECHNIQUES and care of the LUCAS COUNTY MENTALHEALTH SYSTEM AND TOLEDO POLICE ACTUAL ACTIONS PERFORMED WITH MENTAL HEALTH CONSUMERS!
It is sickening to see people just turning every issue on earth into numbers, statistics, and money!
December 20th, 2009 at 10:23 amWe’ve dealt with the issue of money several times, including when Martin got a raise, sickening or not, it’s a part of the issue. If the money given to services is not going to services, it makes it even more difficult.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:26 amYes we did deal with the issue of money of Martin and Connecting Point; however, this issue deals with the communication style between the Toledo Police and the Lucas County Mental Health System, techniques, strategies used with by
December 20th, 2009 at 11:36 amthe Toledo Police and the Lucas County
Mental Health Professionls with mental
health consumers!
True, but this post has also focused on the money aspect, as well as others such as Neighborhood Properties.
You can’t remove the financial or the statistical aspect of this and only focus on the emotional aspect of it. That’s exactly why some of this has continued, it’s not been an across the board approach and it has been demonstrated time and time again without facts, without statistics, the emotional response from the community is either attempted to be placated by creating committees such as this which then never affect real change. We saw the same thing with the Connecting Point issue, a committee was formed, a report was generated and no real changes happened. Why? Because the public was placated…Committees are great, but only if an honest look is taken beyond the momentary outrage of the moment…
December 20th, 2009 at 11:43 amHuman emotion is the core piece of mental health.
Shooting someone with a gun has nothing to do with PAYING and BUYING the most expensive gun or which gun was used.
Not taking the TIME and EXPERTISE to try to talk a person down from doing some action has nothing to do with money.
Actual TRAINING METHODS AND HOW THEY ARE TAUGHT AND TO WHO THEY ARE TAUGHT have nothing to do with numbers, statistics, or money.
Actual COMMUNICATION between DEPARTMENTS have nothing to do with numbers, statistics and money
Giving DIGNITY and RESPECT to another
December 20th, 2009 at 12:09 pmhuman being has nothing to do with with
money, numbers, or statistics.
I understand the emotional aspect of this, but that is why nothing is ever solved. There is an emotional reaction, a public outcry, and the media focus may or may not happen, then the attention dies down as the emotional outrage reaction then focuses on something else with the prior incident being forgotten by most.
Demanding dignity and respect are wonderful goals, but if the actual system does not work as it is supposed to which has to be demonstrated by financial numbers, facts and statistics? That won’t happen either. Look at the issue of homelessness in Toledo, we can demand that they be given dignity and respect, but if those in power are not willing to create laws or enforce laws already in place as well as to make sure services that are supposed to be given are truly delivered? We’ll still be demanding respect and dignity years from now…The same can be said on a variety of other issues, you have to do more than just create an emotional outrage response, the public and the media are fickle and if you don’t do more than that? Real solutions rarely come.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:30 pmLicensing, Regulations, type of housing
December 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pmfor mental health consumers have been
focused on here. Neighborhood Properties, Inc. are part of the mix
of housing for mental health consumers.
As previously stated, the financial aspect is just as critical to the discussion if it is to have value beyond just another thread where people gnash their teeth in anger and rage against the system.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pmHope Santa brings everyone in Lucas County, Ohio a new and different Money Monopoly Game!
December 20th, 2009 at 12:44 pm(Only tring to be humorous Lisa Renee)
Let’s add to the wish list of an awakening as to how the game is being played against them so we can win more often.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:45 pmSpeaking of anger and rage that is part of human emotion and mental health. That is one reason why the Toledo Police need to be able and have expertise dealing with it.
By the way, Lisa Renee and others, guess you probably have read all the comments on the Toledo Free Press on the 62 year old woman. Now most of that is mostly
December 20th, 2009 at 1:09 pmanger and rage.
Lissa Renee;
#36
I can’t dispute what you stated, but it seems to me that any, 41 year old man who loiters around the Art Museum after hours, at night, has some kind of an issue, maybe it was alcohol, drugs or something.I can’t recall. Hadn’t he been arrested before and had other encounters with the police? That is the point that I was trying to make.
December 20th, 2009 at 2:32 pmTurner served two years in prison from 1986 to 1988 for convictions for receiving stolen property and arson. He had no convictions after that nor any issues beyond a few traffic citations. His family has never indicated there were any mental health issues, nor has that been raised, there is still a lawsuit pending and his death was ruled a homicide. Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice supposedly started looking at possible civil rights violations in 2007. As to the civil suit? A ruling came down in November 2009 that removed many of those being sued from the complaint.
So, while Turner’s death is an example of what happens as far as the outrage eventually dying down with a death gaining little public attention, it’s not really relevant to the mental health issue. Though his death and the investigation that followed did create a change in taser policy.
December 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm“DD BOOTS Says: #38
Here we go talking about money again!
LisaRenee Says: #39
Money is an issue,
DD BOOTS Says: #40
This issue is the HUMAN INTERACTION, PROCEDURES AND PROFESSIONAL TECHNIQUES
LisaRenee Says: #43
You can’t remove the financial or the statistical aspect of this and only focus on the emotional aspect of it.”
WWforlife:
Money and moral decency both play an integral part in the outcome of any event. Acquiring huge salaries for doing little can become the single goal of some administrators. Lack of compassion and moral concerns for those in need without the funds to help can be detrimental to assistance.
Misuse of funds for any organization equals failure.
Outrage and anger by itself without the power or the funds to make changes equals failure.(One on one individual assistance to those in need can bear fruit but not across the broad board of local needs.)
Failure to correct the system on all levels both financially and compassionately equals failure.
One without the other equals failure.
Let all real solutions, both financial and moral contend.
December 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pm“Outrage and anger by itself without the power or the funds to make changes equals failure.”
Agreed 110% www …
December 20th, 2009 at 3:24 pmThe only money decsisions that the Lucas County Mental Health Board knows how to distribute money is based on their own Mental Health Wheel of Fortune Game.
They have all the agencies name on the wheel; spin the wheel and it lands on one of the agency names, then
When one solves the words or says the correct words they want to hear they give them money;
Also then give that one agency a
chance at getting more money and if correct words are solved or said that
one gets more and more money!
That’s the Lucas County Wheel of Fortune Game!
Isn’t it fun to play games with humans
December 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pmlives??
wwforlife: I think hit the nail on the head. People are going to be emotional and outraged, but we need money to support these issues. like you said both financial and moral contend. I’am outraged at Police, ,Group Home and a woman, shot for no reason. I know how I would feel if this was one of my family members. I can’t write any more on this subject. Just been reading. TOO upsetting.
December 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pmThey have already spent the money and have been given and will be given more from tax dollars, Obama’s money, etc.
No one will give you enough money to fight it.
Need one already with Power & Support
December 20th, 2009 at 6:30 pmof some type to help combat it, right opportunities, etc.
SAMSHA & others are now and still accepting applications for grant money
December 20th, 2009 at 6:53 pmfor different aspects of mental illness
disorders, etc.
Professional procedures and techniques
December 21st, 2009 at 12:08 amare not either emotional or financial.
They are one of the most core problems in the public mental health system!
It seems to me that this committee is a good start. I hope when Mike Bell takes office he gets people who actually know a little bit about mental illness in there and the committee continues and doesn’t fade after people stop talking about it.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:53 amIssues fade because people do stop talking about them and if some do not
be consistent and persistant and keep an issue in front of many others eyes
and ears!!
That is what INTEREST Groups do all for types of issues!
December 24th, 2009 at 10:47 am