Comments on: 62 year old Central City woman shot and killed by police…

By: DD BOOTS

DD BOOTS — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:29:09 +0000

Request free Publication from SAMHSA:

Practice Guidelines: “Core Elements in Responding to Mental Health Crises”

By: DD BOOTS

DD BOOTS — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:24:03 +0000

Resource to read or see -

Daniel G Amen, M.D. Psychiatrist and
Author of many books. Also shown on
PBS Channel 30 sometimes during their
Pledge times.

By: Mesmerix

Mesmerix — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:03:03 +0000

Well, it certainly didn’t take long for Godwin’s Law to appear in this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law

By: DD BOOTS

DD BOOTS — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:59:19 +0000

Second Suggested Reading, Police and Menal Health Crisis Intervention

The Police and Mental Health — Lamb et al. 53 (10): 1266 — Psychiatr Serv
http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/53/10/1266
Updated: 12/17/2009 09:48:06

By: DD BOOTS

DD BOOTS — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:35:58 +0000

Suggested Reading – Toledo Blade, December 17, 2009, Editorial “Limits to
lethal force”.

By: Brian Maxson

Brian Maxson — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:38:37 +0000

what’s the matter, DD, choking on that crow?

By: Mad Jack

Mad Jack — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:33:40 +0000

In support of Keith, he’s right about several things. The idea about shooting the gun out of someone’s hand is pure Hollywood. I couldn’t do it, and I’m good. I’m a better shot than most police, and I would never try shooting at the gun, or the arms or the legs. The reason is simple: I’d miss. Not just nine out of ten, either. I’d miss all the shots, then I’d be toast.

Police are taught to shoot center mass. All combat shooters are taught to shoot center mass, because it’s the only thing you might hit. The other thing combat shooters are taught is to keep shooting until the target vanishes, hopefully by falling down, other times by ducking for hard cover. As long as the target is in front of you and you have ammo, you keep shooting. When you pull the trigger and nothing happens, it’s time to reload.

Coincidentally this combination of center mass and keep shooting will often result in the death of the opponent. Although it’s never taught, this is the ’shoot to kill’ that I see being argued. The premise is that if you shoot someone, it is likely they will die. You will have killed them, and this is common knowledge at the end of the combat shooting course.

I would also remind folks that if a mere civilian shoots someone, it is presumed in criminal court that the shooter is attempting to kill the target. Not wound. Kill.

Without passing judgment on this particular shooting, I would say that if anyone doesn’t want the police to shoot people or animals, the very first thing to do is take away their guns.

By: DD BOOTS

DD BOOTS — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:42:09 +0000

No matter of anyone’s opinion of what
ever was the appropriate or inappropriate way to handle this situation, how about each on your own having a minute of silence of dignity and respect for the 62 year old mentally ill woman along with the Toledo Police Officers.

By: kc

kc — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:57:40 +0000

Thanks for the persepctive Keith. I think these first hand accounts are the ones that maybe offer some insight into not only this situation, but also possibly the substance abuse that is affecting the other officers. My husband is a firefighter and has dealt with a lot of death, but when he had a child the same age as ours die in her bed, he started waking up in the middle of the night and waking our daughter. Since his most recent fatal fire, he’s taken to inappropriately checking family and friends’ smoke detectors. So when I hear random beeps over the holidays, I am sure it will be my husband 96 comments have been made about this shooting and the only one that really has any true merit is the one from the person who experienced it first hand. I don’t know what I would do if faced with a threat, I wouldn’t even want to try to pull up to that unknown. I also wouldn’t want to go into fires, or God forbid see people not come out alive. I haven’t seen it, so I can’t judge, and no one else should either.

By: LisaRenee

LisaRenee — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:45:15 +0000

Keith, thanks for sharing your perspective on this and putting it into context of the officers as well. It’s really easy to play arm chair quarterback as well as judge and jury on the internet. There are real people involved in this and you’ve made some very valid points.