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	<title>Comments on: Ujvagi announces almost 1 million in Green Energy Grants for our area, Governor announces over 13 million in Ohio</title>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/ujvagi-announces-almost-1-million-in-green-energy-grants/#comment-347387</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SensorG,
I answered that in the post you quoted from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SensorG,<br />
I answered that in the post you quoted from.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Again</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/ujvagi-announces-almost-1-million-in-green-energy-grants/#comment-347335</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SensorG Says:

&quot;Why can the new jobs be clean energy jobs? Why can’t manufacturing be solar panels and wind turbines?&quot;

forlorn hope?  :-)</description>
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<p>&#8220;Why can the new jobs be clean energy jobs? Why can’t manufacturing be solar panels and wind turbines?&#8221;</p>
<p>forlorn hope?  <img src="http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/wp-smiley-switcher/noktahhitam/icon_smile.gif" alt="" /></p>
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		<title>By: SensorG</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/ujvagi-announces-almost-1-million-in-green-energy-grants/#comment-347328</link>
		<dc:creator>SensorG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug says - &lt;i&gt;Jobs or clean energy?  &lt;/i&gt;

Why can the new jobs be clean energy jobs?  Why can&#039;t manufacturing be solar panels and wind turbines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug says &#8211; <i>Jobs or clean energy?  </i></p>
<p>Why can the new jobs be clean energy jobs?  Why can&#8217;t manufacturing be solar panels and wind turbines?</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/ujvagi-announces-almost-1-million-in-green-energy-grants/#comment-347321</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comparison Doug, and I agree with your above comment.  We need to keep what we can of our base of employers and not forget about them in the rush to attract the shiny new object of the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comparison Doug, and I agree with your above comment.  We need to keep what we can of our base of employers and not forget about them in the rush to attract the shiny new object of the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/ujvagi-announces-almost-1-million-in-green-energy-grants/#comment-347319</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Lisa, these grants and stuff are not entirely bad. I do think there is value to them and a long term goal that has to be achieved: energy independance. However we can&#039;t rob our other industries blind to fund it. We also have to seperate out what our goals should be: green energy is a long term goal of energy independance with possible job growth, while manufacturing is job growth. Too often we heavily tax industries who have proven themselves to make a profit instead of letting them use that profit to grow themselves. The question then lies in what do we need more of now? Jobs or clean energy? We need to find that balance that allows current industries to expand and the new green industry to start. Right now, it seems we just care about the green jobs because it is the biggest buzz word.

It reminds me of the cell phone industry when they first started. They were all focused on new customers so all the great deals were offered to new customers only. It was the norm that when your cell phone contract ended you switched carriers because it was the only way to get an affordable phone. Finally, they started offering the same deals to current customers as they do with the new customers. We need to do that with our current industries in Ohio. We need to reward our companies that are here more and not penalize them in order to attract new companies. We are seeing that affect now, just like cell phone customers of yore, our industries are leaving to the better deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Lisa, these grants and stuff are not entirely bad. I do think there is value to them and a long term goal that has to be achieved: energy independance. However we can&#8217;t rob our other industries blind to fund it. We also have to seperate out what our goals should be: green energy is a long term goal of energy independance with possible job growth, while manufacturing is job growth. Too often we heavily tax industries who have proven themselves to make a profit instead of letting them use that profit to grow themselves. The question then lies in what do we need more of now? Jobs or clean energy? We need to find that balance that allows current industries to expand and the new green industry to start. Right now, it seems we just care about the green jobs because it is the biggest buzz word.</p>
<p>It reminds me of the cell phone industry when they first started. They were all focused on new customers so all the great deals were offered to new customers only. It was the norm that when your cell phone contract ended you switched carriers because it was the only way to get an affordable phone. Finally, they started offering the same deals to current customers as they do with the new customers. We need to do that with our current industries in Ohio. We need to reward our companies that are here more and not penalize them in order to attract new companies. We are seeing that affect now, just like cell phone customers of yore, our industries are leaving to the better deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Again</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/ujvagi-announces-almost-1-million-in-green-energy-grants/#comment-347315</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If obama would double the speed of the printing presses all our problems would go away.  :-)</description>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/ujvagi-announces-almost-1-million-in-green-energy-grants/#comment-347314</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s explore this for a moment, let&#039;s say Toledo, Lucas County and even Ohio stop offering incentives, grants, and abatements.  Other states will continue.

Even if you stop this at a federal level, for cities, counties and states to compete for economic development dollars the businesses will go to whoever is offering the best deal most of the time.  While I don&#039;t disagree with you that it&#039;s a problem, how the process as it exists can end knowing that even if we stopped?  Others would not is the larger issue.  What we can do is make sure that grants, loans, etc., are given to companies who have to put up a portion of their own money and that there is a process in place to make sure they meet the promises made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s explore this for a moment, let&#8217;s say Toledo, Lucas County and even Ohio stop offering incentives, grants, and abatements.  Other states will continue.</p>
<p>Even if you stop this at a federal level, for cities, counties and states to compete for economic development dollars the businesses will go to whoever is offering the best deal most of the time.  While I don&#8217;t disagree with you that it&#8217;s a problem, how the process as it exists can end knowing that even if we stopped?  Others would not is the larger issue.  What we can do is make sure that grants, loans, etc., are given to companies who have to put up a portion of their own money and that there is a process in place to make sure they meet the promises made.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s an impossible dream we just need to start manufacturing products again in the US. That is the only thing of any real wealth. Everything else is just supportive and service. I know solar panels are manufacturing but again they need to be able to exist on thier own without outside assistance.

It is impossible to prove but not hard to reason out. If we offer tax breaks, incentives, gifts, and/or loans to one company, that money has to come from somewhere. That increases the costs of all other businesses and individuals. Business then move to where it is cheaper to operate and the people will follow, if possible, or just be jobless. Real profit generating companies leave and government handout companies stay. State runs out of money and the state then grows dependant on federal handouts to keep it&#039;s companies alive that survive off handouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an impossible dream we just need to start manufacturing products again in the US. That is the only thing of any real wealth. Everything else is just supportive and service. I know solar panels are manufacturing but again they need to be able to exist on thier own without outside assistance.</p>
<p>It is impossible to prove but not hard to reason out. If we offer tax breaks, incentives, gifts, and/or loans to one company, that money has to come from somewhere. That increases the costs of all other businesses and individuals. Business then move to where it is cheaper to operate and the people will follow, if possible, or just be jobless. Real profit generating companies leave and government handout companies stay. State runs out of money and the state then grows dependant on federal handouts to keep it&#8217;s companies alive that survive off handouts.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/ujvagi-announces-almost-1-million-in-green-energy-grants/#comment-347309</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How we determine that is hard to prove, would those 300 jobs go anyway?  Technology has eliminated jobs, but we don&#039;t stop the progress related to that.  Is a net job increase an impossible dream?  That&#039;s another question that comes to mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How we determine that is hard to prove, would those 300 jobs go anyway?  Technology has eliminated jobs, but we don&#8217;t stop the progress related to that.  Is a net job increase an impossible dream?  That&#8217;s another question that comes to mind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what if the cost of those 100 jobs is 300 other jobs? We can&#039;t afford that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what if the cost of those 100 jobs is 300 other jobs? We can&#8217;t afford that.</p>
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