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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there should be a new SUP since there is a difference between a middle school and a high school and they are totally different schools/owners.  Yet, I also have a feeling that if this does happen that the neighborhood will oppose it just like South Toledo did.  Despite the fact that the school has not caused any problems in it&#039;s present location...So, once the whole issue of the process is over?  The other reasons why this neighborhood doesn&#039;t support the school will come out, then it will be interesting to see what happens when it comes before Toledo City Council, and who&#039;s still there that will take the same or a different position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there should be a new SUP since there is a difference between a middle school and a high school and they are totally different schools/owners.  Yet, I also have a feeling that if this does happen that the neighborhood will oppose it just like South Toledo did.  Despite the fact that the school has not caused any problems in it&#8217;s present location&#8230;So, once the whole issue of the process is over?  The other reasons why this neighborhood doesn&#8217;t support the school will come out, then it will be interesting to see what happens when it comes before Toledo City Council, and who&#8217;s still there that will take the same or a different position.</p>
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		<title>By: Hooda Thunkit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hooda Thunkit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

&lt;i&gt;”Yet I wonder if the process is the problem and the scenario currently exists where it’s possible for a special use permit to be transferred when it is going to be different from what was originally proposed, why that isn’t focused on as far as a fix? “&lt;/i&gt;

You are exactly right. The permit should expire when those seeking the permit abandoned the project.

Otherwise, anyone could apply for a SUP and then let someone use the SUP without undergoing the scrutiny that the “shill” applicant had to undergo. This deceit may be used for someone who is unable to get the SUP on their own can “back door” the process..., deliberately, in order to get what he/she id unable to qualify for on their own merit/qualifications.


&lt;i&gt;”The process should be one of which where the special use permit is given per property but also per use with the only change allowed being one where if it’s the same exact use but the ownership changed, as in if Knight Academy got the permit and then were being operated by a different company “&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly!

But, in this case the nature of the intended use changed without going through the process that the original applicant had to, in order to get the SUP approval, which included neighborhood input.

Cutting out the neighborhood input/revue by saying that a school is a school, is a school, doesn&#039;t set well with the neighbors, who might well have been interested enough to visit the actual functioning school and see/judge for themselves. 

Or, is the Glass City Academy reluctant to have such a revue/visit,  unannounced, of course? They may have something that they would prefer to keep under wraps...

By using the “back door,” I would think that the neighbors/neighborhood would indeed feel “ambushed.”

And, can you blame them?

--HT/a.k.a. “Z” (with a slash)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p><i>”Yet I wonder if the process is the problem and the scenario currently exists where it’s possible for a special use permit to be transferred when it is going to be different from what was originally proposed, why that isn’t focused on as far as a fix? “</i></p>
<p>You are exactly right. The permit should expire when those seeking the permit abandoned the project.</p>
<p>Otherwise, anyone could apply for a SUP and then let someone use the SUP without undergoing the scrutiny that the “shill” applicant had to undergo. This deceit may be used for someone who is unable to get the SUP on their own can “back door” the process&#8230;, deliberately, in order to get what he/she id unable to qualify for on their own merit/qualifications.</p>
<p><i>”The process should be one of which where the special use permit is given per property but also per use with the only change allowed being one where if it’s the same exact use but the ownership changed, as in if Knight Academy got the permit and then were being operated by a different company “</i></p>
<p>Exactly!</p>
<p>But, in this case the nature of the intended use changed without going through the process that the original applicant had to, in order to get the SUP approval, which included neighborhood input.</p>
<p>Cutting out the neighborhood input/revue by saying that a school is a school, is a school, doesn&#8217;t set well with the neighbors, who might well have been interested enough to visit the actual functioning school and see/judge for themselves. </p>
<p>Or, is the Glass City Academy reluctant to have such a revue/visit,  unannounced, of course? They may have something that they would prefer to keep under wraps&#8230;</p>
<p>By using the “back door,” I would think that the neighbors/neighborhood would indeed feel “ambushed.”</p>
<p>And, can you blame them?</p>
<p>&#8211;HT/a.k.a. “Z” (with a slash)<br />
+++++++++++++++++++++</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Hansen</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/05/if-the-special-use-permit-process-is-the-problemwhy-not-fix-it/#comment-332531</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of my own commentary, &lt;a href=&quot;http://rolandhansencommentary.blogspot.com/2009/05/glass-city-academy-charter-school.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Glass City Academy: Charter School Uproar in Toledo, Ohio&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, I agree that your suggestion of revising and codifying the process would make for sound public policy, that is, of course, with the caveat that it not be ex post facto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of my own commentary, <a href="http://rolandhansencommentary.blogspot.com/2009/05/glass-city-academy-charter-school.html" rel="nofollow"><b><i>Glass City Academy: Charter School Uproar in Toledo, Ohio</i></b></a>, I agree that your suggestion of revising and codifying the process would make for sound public policy, that is, of course, with the caveat that it not be ex post facto.</p>
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