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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People mixing up two different concepts.

The Fairness Doctrine  required holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was (in the Commission&#039;s view) honest, equitable and balanced.

The Fairness Doctrine should not be confused with the Equal Time rule. The Fairness Doctrine deals with matters of public importance, while the Equal Time rule deals only with political candidates.

The re-adoption of these rules will not mean that Limbaugh, etc will be off the air. Really depends on how willing a station is to fight complaints.

The rules themselves are really ineffective. What is effective is the threat of litigation.

I too am sick and tired of WSPD&#039;s constant whining and complaining. Neither the fairness doctrine of the equal time rule would stop that. 

Changing the station is far more effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People mixing up two different concepts.</p>
<p>The Fairness Doctrine  required holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was (in the Commission&#8217;s view) honest, equitable and balanced.</p>
<p>The Fairness Doctrine should not be confused with the Equal Time rule. The Fairness Doctrine deals with matters of public importance, while the Equal Time rule deals only with political candidates.</p>
<p>The re-adoption of these rules will not mean that Limbaugh, etc will be off the air. Really depends on how willing a station is to fight complaints.</p>
<p>The rules themselves are really ineffective. What is effective is the threat of litigation.</p>
<p>I too am sick and tired of WSPD&#8217;s constant whining and complaining. Neither the fairness doctrine of the equal time rule would stop that. </p>
<p>Changing the station is far more effective.</p>
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		<title>By: kateb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kateb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...that&#039;s an interesting post jr. That means the Christian perspective will get equal time in the mainstream media.

I really like that! Thanks for a nice thought on a dreary day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;that&#8217;s an interesting post jr. That means the Christian perspective will get equal time in the mainstream media.</p>
<p>I really like that! Thanks for a nice thought on a dreary day!</p>
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		<title>By: Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fairness doctrine means that all sides will be heard on WSPD along side Fred and Brian.  It just won&#039;t be the liberals.  We will get to hear the anarchists, the socalists, the islamic jihadists, the comunists etc. 

The fairness doctrine might be the item that ends the 2 party rule. 

p.s. Take back toledo is a joke.  I&#039;m tired of the negative whinning of groups like this.

off topic - the new pizza joint downtown is a welcome addition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fairness doctrine means that all sides will be heard on WSPD along side Fred and Brian.  It just won&#8217;t be the liberals.  We will get to hear the anarchists, the socalists, the islamic jihadists, the comunists etc. </p>
<p>The fairness doctrine might be the item that ends the 2 party rule. </p>
<p>p.s. Take back toledo is a joke.  I&#8217;m tired of the negative whinning of groups like this.</p>
<p>off topic &#8211; the new pizza joint downtown is a welcome addition.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Take back Toledo - I agree, it would be easier to get people to join your team if you don&#039;t insult them first.  I think TBT is a big waste of time and money.  It just seems like it&#039;s a bunch of guys who are puffing out their chests and wanting to get their names in the newspaper.  I might take them a bit more seriously if they had someone to support instead of just someone to tear down.  Right now it&#039;s just a big &quot;We don&#039;t like Carty&quot; club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Take back Toledo &#8211; I agree, it would be easier to get people to join your team if you don&#8217;t insult them first.  I think TBT is a big waste of time and money.  It just seems like it&#8217;s a bunch of guys who are puffing out their chests and wanting to get their names in the newspaper.  I might take them a bit more seriously if they had someone to support instead of just someone to tear down.  Right now it&#8217;s just a big &#8220;We don&#8217;t like Carty&#8221; club.</p>
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		<title>By: kateb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kateb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;LisaRenee&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Kate, thanks, that’s pretty much the basis of my position when I sat down to write this, that part of the problem is people not willing to discuss, but to demean and dismiss.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yup. And to be perfectly honest - I couldn&#039;t do those talk show hosts job. I&#039;m seeing the real impact of bad government today. 

I&#039;ve never been afraid of anything. But I&#039;m scared now. I look around Toledo and I see the empty manufacturing facilities, I see the empty shops, malls and offices. In the neighborhoods I see the empty windows with the foreclosure stickers on the doors. An army of them.

I drive down the street to my house, where I&#039;ve driven for years. About three years ago I saw a toddler outside with his Dad. Every day in the front yard when I came home. The next year that boy was being pushed down the sidewalk on a bike with training wheels. By his Dad. Every day the sun was shining, this guy was in his uniform shirt - like maybe he was a car mechanic? - pushing this kid up and down the street.

Last summer I grinned every time I saw that little boy flying up and down in front of the house without his training wheels. Dad standing there grinning. Now the house is dark and there&#039;s a foreclosure sticker on the door. I just cried when I saw that. These are real people in real lives that they only get to do once. This is not a dress rehearsal. And now that little boy will have his family losing their house as one of his earliest memories.

I am pissed, I am mentally and spiritually pissed off. I want to know how the people who were supposed to be, who SWORE to be the stewards of our economy, our city, our state and our federal government even have the balls to show their face anywhere? Seriously? 

Barney Frank is reading bank CEO&#039;s off about unacceptable conduct? Really? And he&#039;s comfortable doing it on camera? For real? 

So, I absolutely could not do their jobs because the FCC would probably have me put in jail. 

But I do think that at least at the community level, people need to stop waiting for the government to show up at the game and do the right thing. It isn&#039;t happening. So we need to have a community dialogue of some sort and a radio show is a great place to do it. I&#039;m sure that&#039;s what started the Take Back Toledo effort and landed it in WSPD&#039;s lap.

How they move forward from here is their decision. I think Michael Miller&#039;s column had a lot of food for thought for that project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>LisaRenee</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Kate, thanks, that’s pretty much the basis of my position when I sat down to write this, that part of the problem is people not willing to discuss, but to demean and dismiss.
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<p>Yup. And to be perfectly honest &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t do those talk show hosts job. I&#8217;m seeing the real impact of bad government today. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been afraid of anything. But I&#8217;m scared now. I look around Toledo and I see the empty manufacturing facilities, I see the empty shops, malls and offices. In the neighborhoods I see the empty windows with the foreclosure stickers on the doors. An army of them.</p>
<p>I drive down the street to my house, where I&#8217;ve driven for years. About three years ago I saw a toddler outside with his Dad. Every day in the front yard when I came home. The next year that boy was being pushed down the sidewalk on a bike with training wheels. By his Dad. Every day the sun was shining, this guy was in his uniform shirt &#8211; like maybe he was a car mechanic? &#8211; pushing this kid up and down the street.</p>
<p>Last summer I grinned every time I saw that little boy flying up and down in front of the house without his training wheels. Dad standing there grinning. Now the house is dark and there&#8217;s a foreclosure sticker on the door. I just cried when I saw that. These are real people in real lives that they only get to do once. This is not a dress rehearsal. And now that little boy will have his family losing their house as one of his earliest memories.</p>
<p>I am pissed, I am mentally and spiritually pissed off. I want to know how the people who were supposed to be, who SWORE to be the stewards of our economy, our city, our state and our federal government even have the balls to show their face anywhere? Seriously? </p>
<p>Barney Frank is reading bank CEO&#8217;s off about unacceptable conduct? Really? And he&#8217;s comfortable doing it on camera? For real? </p>
<p>So, I absolutely could not do their jobs because the FCC would probably have me put in jail. </p>
<p>But I do think that at least at the community level, people need to stop waiting for the government to show up at the game and do the right thing. It isn&#8217;t happening. So we need to have a community dialogue of some sort and a radio show is a great place to do it. I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s what started the Take Back Toledo effort and landed it in WSPD&#8217;s lap.</p>
<p>How they move forward from here is their decision. I think Michael Miller&#8217;s column had a lot of food for thought for that project.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig - The Unoriginal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig - The Unoriginal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redfern&#039;s statement is a cop-out.

While it is true that the Fairness Doctrine is the boogey-man of right-wing nutjobs, there is no &quot;free market&quot; when it comes to conservative radio stations and he knows it. 

Rush, Beck, et. al. owe their success to the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, hence their rabid response to any mention of bringing it back.

2 corporations, Cumulus and Clear Channel, own 13 radio statons that can be heard in Toledo and they are on shaky financial ground despite their stranglehold on the airwaves.

As to TBT, their response to Mr. Miller&#039;s article shows how doomed their cause is. They cannot even gain the support of a man who publicly vilifies Carty and calls him an economic terrorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redfern&#8217;s statement is a cop-out.</p>
<p>While it is true that the Fairness Doctrine is the boogey-man of right-wing nutjobs, there is no &#8220;free market&#8221; when it comes to conservative radio stations and he knows it. </p>
<p>Rush, Beck, et. al. owe their success to the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, hence their rabid response to any mention of bringing it back.</p>
<p>2 corporations, Cumulus and Clear Channel, own 13 radio statons that can be heard in Toledo and they are on shaky financial ground despite their stranglehold on the airwaves.</p>
<p>As to TBT, their response to Mr. Miller&#8217;s article shows how doomed their cause is. They cannot even gain the support of a man who publicly vilifies Carty and calls him an economic terrorist.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate, thanks, that&#039;s pretty much the basis of my position when I sat down to write this, that part of the problem is people not willing to discuss, but to demean and dismiss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, thanks, that&#8217;s pretty much the basis of my position when I sat down to write this, that part of the problem is people not willing to discuss, but to demean and dismiss.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, if you read the full post, no where did I say that questions were wrong and once again there is a difference between &quot;asking questions&quot; and trying to demean, belittle, etc.  

You declared those who don&#039;t want to appear on WSPD as spineless, I don&#039;t think a lack of spine has anything to do with it.  

You&#039;ll also note if you read the entire post that I don&#039;t support the Fairness Doctrine, if you want to agree with the concept of calling senior citizens &quot;parasites&quot; that&#039;s your choice.  I think name calling demonstrates there is little of value to be said, you apparently disagree with that.  That said, you have the right to call people names, they also have the right to not hold you in respect when you do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, if you read the full post, no where did I say that questions were wrong and once again there is a difference between &#8220;asking questions&#8221; and trying to demean, belittle, etc.  </p>
<p>You declared those who don&#8217;t want to appear on WSPD as spineless, I don&#8217;t think a lack of spine has anything to do with it.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll also note if you read the entire post that I don&#8217;t support the Fairness Doctrine, if you want to agree with the concept of calling senior citizens &#8220;parasites&#8221; that&#8217;s your choice.  I think name calling demonstrates there is little of value to be said, you apparently disagree with that.  That said, you have the right to call people names, they also have the right to not hold you in respect when you do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kateb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kateb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree that it comes with the territory. Throughout the history of our country leaders have been criticized. I believe it&#039;s the personalization that&#039;s being cited as unacceptable. A very different story.

It&#039;s one thing entirely to discuss a bad policy decision, a poor choice in hiring or an unacceptable budget. But it&#039;s another thing to mock a person, personally. And that&#039;s a line that prior to our generation, people had more respect and manners than to engage in that.

That said, I enjoy Wilson&#039;s show. It&#039;s not a news broadcast and it is &#039;talk radio&#039;. It&#039;s opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. And it is in the same vein as many other popular talk radio shows. If people don&#039;t like what&#039;s being said - CHANGE THE CHANNEL. But don&#039;t legislate what may be said because you don&#039;t like it. That&#039;s not capitalism, that&#039;s totalitarianism. And I don&#039;t think we need to go there to cater to those that haven&#039;t the intelligence to figure out the little dials on the radio and how to use them. Puh.

Personally, I&#039;m so mad at the Mayor of Toledo right now that I&#039;ll do everything I can to see he&#039;s not re-elected. I believe he and the other leaders in this area for the last 30 years have SCREWED THE POOCH. And any person with an I.Q. of shoe leather, in the Mayor&#039;s shoes, would tender a heart felt apology for having failed so abjectly to serve the city of Toledo and move. 

But I do think this could be a wake up call to try to return to a time in history where there were lines of societal politeness. I think it would go a long way toward restoring a sense of detente among people and political parties.

The first step in resolving parties in oppositional positions is discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that it comes with the territory. Throughout the history of our country leaders have been criticized. I believe it&#8217;s the personalization that&#8217;s being cited as unacceptable. A very different story.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing entirely to discuss a bad policy decision, a poor choice in hiring or an unacceptable budget. But it&#8217;s another thing to mock a person, personally. And that&#8217;s a line that prior to our generation, people had more respect and manners than to engage in that.</p>
<p>That said, I enjoy Wilson&#8217;s show. It&#8217;s not a news broadcast and it is &#8216;talk radio&#8217;. It&#8217;s opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. And it is in the same vein as many other popular talk radio shows. If people don&#8217;t like what&#8217;s being said &#8211; CHANGE THE CHANNEL. But don&#8217;t legislate what may be said because you don&#8217;t like it. That&#8217;s not capitalism, that&#8217;s totalitarianism. And I don&#8217;t think we need to go there to cater to those that haven&#8217;t the intelligence to figure out the little dials on the radio and how to use them. Puh.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m so mad at the Mayor of Toledo right now that I&#8217;ll do everything I can to see he&#8217;s not re-elected. I believe he and the other leaders in this area for the last 30 years have SCREWED THE POOCH. And any person with an I.Q. of shoe leather, in the Mayor&#8217;s shoes, would tender a heart felt apology for having failed so abjectly to serve the city of Toledo and move. </p>
<p>But I do think this could be a wake up call to try to return to a time in history where there were lines of societal politeness. I think it would go a long way toward restoring a sense of detente among people and political parties.</p>
<p>The first step in resolving parties in oppositional positions is discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: chrismyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrismyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is also an American right to be critical of leaders, especially leaders who deserve criticism. If they can&#039;t handle &quot;words&quot; then maybe they need to reconsider. Ben could not even handle someone highlighting he had the wrong campaign finance disclaimer on his signs, so it does give a good glimpse of his character. Those who are comfortable with what they do, base their decisions on law and sound judgment have nothing to fear and can probably sound very intelligent and make hosts that just call names look silly. Of course if they base their decision on none of those, they will be the ones who look silly, which is probably why many want to complain about fairness rather than talk about their decisions. They don&#039;t have to do that, but then if people have questions and don&#039;t want to answer them, it is not the fault of the person answering the questions. Hey, they are elected leaders, it comes with the territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also an American right to be critical of leaders, especially leaders who deserve criticism. If they can&#8217;t handle &#8220;words&#8221; then maybe they need to reconsider. Ben could not even handle someone highlighting he had the wrong campaign finance disclaimer on his signs, so it does give a good glimpse of his character. Those who are comfortable with what they do, base their decisions on law and sound judgment have nothing to fear and can probably sound very intelligent and make hosts that just call names look silly. Of course if they base their decision on none of those, they will be the ones who look silly, which is probably why many want to complain about fairness rather than talk about their decisions. They don&#8217;t have to do that, but then if people have questions and don&#8217;t want to answer them, it is not the fault of the person answering the questions. Hey, they are elected leaders, it comes with the territory.</p>
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