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		<title>By: kateb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kateb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember. It is from the The Friends of Voltaire by Evelyn Hall</description>
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		<title>By: kateb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kateb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian - I think what you said is remarkable. Liberties are to be extended under all circumstances even when it&#039;s really REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY hard to do it.

I still can&#039;t remember - but who said something to this effect &quot;I may despise what it is that you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; I think what you said is remarkable. Liberties are to be extended under all circumstances even when it&#8217;s really REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY hard to do it.</p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t remember &#8211; but who said something to this effect &#8220;I may despise what it is that you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: kateb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kateb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 27 el gato grande

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<p>Positively!!! Coffee is good!! {{{{{jjjjjjjjjjjjava java java}}}}}}}}}}}</p>
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		<title>By: Kiddnitro</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graphics guy... ummmm hummm well... Maybe your edumication should have helped your intellect decipher such a bad typo but since spell check cant help u here guess you can&#039;t continue. Gee sorry I think u got the message did u not? 
I have a RIGHT as a non-smoker not to have to inhale smoke in a PUBLIC place! End of story! It isn&#039;t about WHICH PUBLIC place i choose to go in. If it is PUBLIC than its PUBLIC!
Maybe lets see here just WHO do these Businesses cater to? The Public or Private? ALL of these businesses cater to the Public! Private clubs are not effected by it. Take the Legion Hall which I am a member! When I go in there I expect it and I dont go often. I fought for freedom as some one brought up. Many of you all have not but ride on shirttails of someone that did. Many of you take advantage of the RIGHTS have been given, never having earned or made sacrifices for even one. 
Brian... You obviously don&#039;t ride... nothing more needs to be said, but for those of us that ride one of the beauties of riding is all the smells. So hop back into your Yugo and light one up!

&quot;I let people smoke in my house. I let people smoke in my car. My mother died of lung cancer, but she would have never banned smoking in her home. I promised her as she was dying that I’d never become one of the anti-smoking Nazis.&quot; 
How touching of a moment that would have been..Mama cigs killed you, and made you suffer a painful death but I promice I wont stop it from hurting others. Kinda like sayin The alcoholism and liver failure were bad in my family but that never stoped me from drinkin.. in fact I encouraged my neices and nephews to drink! .. hickup.. causin it tastes gud!  Now I know why u work for who u do, that&#039;s pure Carty intelligence! Brian wake up be a Shepard not a sheep!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graphics guy&#8230; ummmm hummm well&#8230; Maybe your edumication should have helped your intellect decipher such a bad typo but since spell check cant help u here guess you can&#8217;t continue. Gee sorry I think u got the message did u not?<br />
I have a RIGHT as a non-smoker not to have to inhale smoke in a PUBLIC place! End of story! It isn&#8217;t about WHICH PUBLIC place i choose to go in. If it is PUBLIC than its PUBLIC!<br />
Maybe lets see here just WHO do these Businesses cater to? The Public or Private? ALL of these businesses cater to the Public! Private clubs are not effected by it. Take the Legion Hall which I am a member! When I go in there I expect it and I dont go often. I fought for freedom as some one brought up. Many of you all have not but ride on shirttails of someone that did. Many of you take advantage of the RIGHTS have been given, never having earned or made sacrifices for even one.<br />
Brian&#8230; You obviously don&#8217;t ride&#8230; nothing more needs to be said, but for those of us that ride one of the beauties of riding is all the smells. So hop back into your Yugo and light one up!</p>
<p>&#8220;I let people smoke in my house. I let people smoke in my car. My mother died of lung cancer, but she would have never banned smoking in her home. I promised her as she was dying that I’d never become one of the anti-smoking Nazis.&#8221;<br />
How touching of a moment that would have been..Mama cigs killed you, and made you suffer a painful death but I promice I wont stop it from hurting others. Kinda like sayin The alcoholism and liver failure were bad in my family but that never stoped me from drinkin.. in fact I encouraged my neices and nephews to drink! .. hickup.. causin it tastes gud!  Now I know why u work for who u do, that&#8217;s pure Carty intelligence! Brian wake up be a Shepard not a sheep!</p>
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		<title>By: barga</title>
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		<dc:creator>barga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not locally, i am fine with citywide ones</description>
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		<title>By: Not Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like barga is against the smoking ban.</description>
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		<title>By: barga</title>
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		<dc:creator>barga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is how it should work

The consumer has a choice as to where to go. I would not go to restaurants with smoking sections... A private enterprise has the right to do what it wishes with its property, provided it violates nobody elses rights</description>
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<p>The consumer has a choice as to where to go. I would not go to restaurants with smoking sections&#8230; A private enterprise has the right to do what it wishes with its property, provided it violates nobody elses rights</p>
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		<title>By: GraphicsGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>GraphicsGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Kiddnitro&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the ratio of NON SMOKERS is like 85% are non-smokers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So...does that like mean that like 85% of non smokers are like non smokers?

Being a high school graduate with some higher education, I have trouble understanding &#039;pidgin English&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Kiddnitro</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think the ratio of NON SMOKERS is like 85% are non-smokers.</p></blockquote>
<p>So&#8230;does that like mean that like 85% of non smokers are like non smokers?</p>
<p>Being a high school graduate with some higher education, I have trouble understanding &#8216;pidgin English&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: kateb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Brian Schwartz&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Kateb,  I’m big on civil liberties.  I’m not opposed to gay civil unions.  Gay marriage I’d leave to the churches to decide.  That’s unusual for a Republican.
I was a two pack a day smoker for many years.  I quit cigarettes and all tobacco 13 years ago.  I started smoking cigars about 10 years ago and find that a cigar a day helps keep me sane.  Sometimes, I have two.  I enjoy them.  
Your finer restaurants will have a special room to which cigar smokers can adjourn for a fine cigar and a drink after work.  Of course, Ohio killed that.
I let people smoke in my house.  I let people smoke in my car.  My mother died of lung cancer, but she would have never banned smoking in her home.  I promised her as she was dying that I’d never become one of the anti-smoking Nazis.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think you&#039;re starting to get your groove back Brian. Being out of the Carty gerbil wheel has to feel good.

It&#039;s takes about a year tho, in all seriousness, to get past something like that. 

Several of you have made the point that the opposition to the smoking ban is about civil rights. And it is. For legal activities to be banned is a problem. 

This is America. Where you can be as successful as you earn the right to be or as educated as you fight to be.

In America - you can be well educated and you also have the right to do stupid things. Because it&#039;s about pursuing your own happiness and protecting all of liberties.

It&#039;s smoking now - but what if the topic becomes obesity? For many of the same reasons. It&#039;s a drain on the medical system - it causes huge expenses to health insurance companies that we all share the cost for - so what if someone brings a ballot initiative for banning obesity?

Or parental rights? A person who brings a ban controlling parental rights, because that has the same outcome often. Many children wind up in the system. It&#039;s a cost and a drain on the Social Service agencies, both public and private, the Judicial system and hey - if we start controlling parental rights then maybe we wouldn&#039;t have to fund a separate jail for juveniles.

The arguments and topics are endless. But once we lose our liberties, and so many have died for us to have them and to defend them and they&#039;re so easy to lose, they&#039;re gone. 

We are supposed to be tolerant of each other and intent on preserving our neighbors rights as well as our own. We can&#039;t expect everyone to conform to our own expectations and cater to us.  Not if we want to keep those broad liberties that more than 600,000 died fighting for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Brian Schwartz</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Kateb,  I’m big on civil liberties.  I’m not opposed to gay civil unions.  Gay marriage I’d leave to the churches to decide.  That’s unusual for a Republican.<br />
I was a two pack a day smoker for many years.  I quit cigarettes and all tobacco 13 years ago.  I started smoking cigars about 10 years ago and find that a cigar a day helps keep me sane.  Sometimes, I have two.  I enjoy them.<br />
Your finer restaurants will have a special room to which cigar smokers can adjourn for a fine cigar and a drink after work.  Of course, Ohio killed that.<br />
I let people smoke in my house.  I let people smoke in my car.  My mother died of lung cancer, but she would have never banned smoking in her home.  I promised her as she was dying that I’d never become one of the anti-smoking Nazis.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you&#8217;re starting to get your groove back Brian. Being out of the Carty gerbil wheel has to feel good.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s takes about a year tho, in all seriousness, to get past something like that. </p>
<p>Several of you have made the point that the opposition to the smoking ban is about civil rights. And it is. For legal activities to be banned is a problem. </p>
<p>This is America. Where you can be as successful as you earn the right to be or as educated as you fight to be.</p>
<p>In America &#8211; you can be well educated and you also have the right to do stupid things. Because it&#8217;s about pursuing your own happiness and protecting all of liberties.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s smoking now &#8211; but what if the topic becomes obesity? For many of the same reasons. It&#8217;s a drain on the medical system &#8211; it causes huge expenses to health insurance companies that we all share the cost for &#8211; so what if someone brings a ballot initiative for banning obesity?</p>
<p>Or parental rights? A person who brings a ban controlling parental rights, because that has the same outcome often. Many children wind up in the system. It&#8217;s a cost and a drain on the Social Service agencies, both public and private, the Judicial system and hey &#8211; if we start controlling parental rights then maybe we wouldn&#8217;t have to fund a separate jail for juveniles.</p>
<p>The arguments and topics are endless. But once we lose our liberties, and so many have died for us to have them and to defend them and they&#8217;re so easy to lose, they&#8217;re gone. </p>
<p>We are supposed to be tolerant of each other and intent on preserving our neighbors rights as well as our own. We can&#8217;t expect everyone to conform to our own expectations and cater to us.  Not if we want to keep those broad liberties that more than 600,000 died fighting for.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t smoke in my vehicles.  It makes them stinky.</description>
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