Comments on: Presidential Debate…who actually answered the questions? http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/ Wed, 18 Aug 2010 02:25:57 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Brian Schwartz http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/#comment-311626 Brian Schwartz Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:17:00 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3859#comment-311626 truthseeker, The power of the presidency ebbs and flows. The term "Imperial Presidency" was coined by liberal historian, Arthur Schlesinger, to describe the Nixon presidency. It was inaccurate. Congress and the Democrats dictated the tempo of the 1970s. No Republican that was in control would have proposed a guaranteed minimum income for every American. Nixon did just that with his Family Action Plan. Nobody would have ever called the Ford or Carter presidencies, "imperial" Congress was in total control of both of those presidencies. Reagan took control because people agreed with him. Bush 41 lost it when he was bullied into tax increases by Democrats in Congress. Clinton was controlled by Congress as is Bush 43. We need a stronger individual to be president. Obama will be eaten alive just as Carter was. Obama, like Carter, is terribly naive. McCain is wise in the ways of Washington. You can run as an outsider as much as you want to. You have to understand how Washington works to get things done. You can't change the way Washington works. It's like trying to make water run uphill. You can't defy nature. truthseeker,

The power of the presidency ebbs and flows. The term “Imperial Presidency” was coined by liberal historian, Arthur Schlesinger, to describe the Nixon presidency. It was inaccurate. Congress and the Democrats dictated the tempo of the 1970s. No Republican that was in control would have proposed a guaranteed minimum income for every American. Nixon did just that with his Family Action Plan.

Nobody would have ever called the Ford or Carter presidencies, “imperial” Congress was in total control of both of those presidencies.

Reagan took control because people agreed with him. Bush 41 lost it when he was bullied into tax increases by Democrats in Congress. Clinton was controlled by Congress as is Bush 43. We need a stronger individual to be president.

Obama will be eaten alive just as Carter was. Obama, like Carter, is terribly naive. McCain is wise in the ways of Washington. You can run as an outsider as much as you want to. You have to understand how Washington works to get things done. You can’t change the way Washington works. It’s like trying to make water run uphill. You can’t defy nature.

]]> By: mud_rake http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/#comment-311597 mud_rake Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:58:52 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3859#comment-311597 You can say that again, Mike. Say, Professor Right Wing, I'm coming over to ferret out the truth. Muddy You can say that again, Mike.

Say, Professor Right Wing, I’m coming over to ferret out the truth.

Muddy

]]> By: historymike http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/#comment-311592 historymike Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:44:25 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3859#comment-311592 I thought the debate was largely a draw, and I scored it 3-2-19 (Obama-McCain-tie). Both candidates largely stuck with talking points, neither candidate made any serious gaffes, and Brokaw's otherwise emasculated role as moderator was punctuated with a few whines about the candidates ignoring the clock. However, momentum is still with Obama, as McCain did not succeed in outperforming Obama. As an independent voter, and someone who believes both candidates are inadequate for the monumental tasks facing this country, I will end up pinching my nose and voting for one of these flawed aspirants. Last night's debate, however, answered few questions for me. I thought the debate was largely a draw, and I scored it 3-2-19 (Obama-McCain-tie). Both candidates largely stuck with talking points, neither candidate made any serious gaffes, and Brokaw’s otherwise emasculated role as moderator was punctuated with a few whines about the candidates ignoring the clock.

However, momentum is still with Obama, as McCain did not succeed in outperforming Obama.

As an independent voter, and someone who believes both candidates are inadequate for the monumental tasks facing this country, I will end up pinching my nose and voting for one of these flawed aspirants.

Last night’s debate, however, answered few questions for me.

]]> By: historymike http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/#comment-311591 historymike Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:44:04 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3859#comment-311591 I thought the debate was largely a draw, and I scored it 3-2-19 (Obama-McCain-tie). Both candidates largely stuck with talking points, neither candidate made any serious gaffes, and Brokaw's otherwise emasculated role as moderator was punctuated with a few whines about the candidates ignoring the clock. However, momentum is still with Obama, as McCain did not succeed in outperforming Obama. As an independent voter, and someone who believes both candidates are inadequate for the monumental tasks facing this country, I will end up pinching my nose and voting for one of these flawed aspirants. Last night's debate, however, answerd few questions for me. I thought the debate was largely a draw, and I scored it 3-2-19 (Obama-McCain-tie). Both candidates largely stuck with talking points, neither candidate made any serious gaffes, and Brokaw’s otherwise emasculated role as moderator was punctuated with a few whines about the candidates ignoring the clock.

However, momentum is still with Obama, as McCain did not succeed in outperforming Obama.

As an independent voter, and someone who believes both candidates are inadequate for the monumental tasks facing this country, I will end up pinching my nose and voting for one of these flawed aspirants.

Last night’s debate, however, answerd few questions for me.

]]> By: historymike http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/#comment-311590 historymike Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:43:49 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3859#comment-311590 I thought the debate was largely a draw, and I scored it 3-2-19 (Obama-McCain-tie). Both candidates largely stuck with talking points, neither candidate made an serious gaffes, and Brokaw's otherwise emasculated role as moderator was punctuated with a few whines about the candidates ignoring the clock. However, momentum is still with Obama, as McCain did not succeed in outperforming Obama. As an independent voter, and someone who believes both candidates are inadequate for the monumental tasks facing this country, I will end up pinching my nose and voting for one of these flawed aspirants. Last night's debate, however, answerd few questions for me. I thought the debate was largely a draw, and I scored it 3-2-19 (Obama-McCain-tie). Both candidates largely stuck with talking points, neither candidate made an serious gaffes, and Brokaw’s otherwise emasculated role as moderator was punctuated with a few whines about the candidates ignoring the clock.

However, momentum is still with Obama, as McCain did not succeed in outperforming Obama.

As an independent voter, and someone who believes both candidates are inadequate for the monumental tasks facing this country, I will end up pinching my nose and voting for one of these flawed aspirants.

Last night’s debate, however, answerd few questions for me.

]]> By: truthseeker http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/#comment-311587 truthseeker Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:28:32 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3859#comment-311587 Tina - to a great degree, the presidency has accumulated too much power (now called the imperial presidency), because congress as a whole allows it. Many reasons for that, but what they get out of the deal is that they can keep their jobs by, among other things, blaming their inaction on whoever is president. "Well, we just couldn't help it, the prez forced our hands... he's just so powerful, etc etc." They give up their responsibilities enumerated in the Constitution in order to keep their jobs. If they actually fight for anything or state definitively what they want to see changed, they fear the electorate, or the press. The only congressman with a really good health care plan is Dennis Kucinich. And what happens to him? He is mocked continuously, without most of the media ever explaining his ideas or legislation he sponsors. The Blade likes to make fun of his appearance (like any of them resemble Clark Gable). We have a few good men and women in there fighting for us, but most of them just want to hang on to their jobs during this depression. Many think the imperial presidency started with Bush Sr., and I tend to agree, because he was actually the one in power during the Reagan years (not Nancy). Tina – to a great degree, the presidency has accumulated too much power (now called the imperial presidency), because congress as a whole allows it. Many reasons for that, but what they get out of the deal is that they can keep their jobs by, among other things, blaming their inaction on whoever is president. “Well, we just couldn’t help it, the prez forced our hands… he’s just so powerful, etc etc.” They give up their responsibilities enumerated in the Constitution in order to keep their jobs. If they actually fight for anything or state definitively what they want to see changed, they fear the electorate, or the press. The only congressman with a really good health care plan is Dennis Kucinich. And what happens to him? He is mocked continuously, without most of the media ever explaining his ideas or legislation he sponsors. The Blade likes to make fun of his appearance (like any of them resemble Clark Gable). We have a few good men and women in there fighting for us, but most of them just want to hang on to their jobs during this depression.

Many think the imperial presidency started with Bush Sr., and I tend to agree, because he was actually the one in power during the Reagan years (not Nancy).

]]> By: Hillary 2012 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/#comment-311586 Hillary 2012 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:25:01 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3859#comment-311586 Tina, "Since then he has been campaigning and debating, trying to make a change. How are we going to know what he can do if we don’t let him." Obama has had the time to make a difference. He chose not too just like most politicians in DC. They go there and get a fat paycheck and a big pension and do nothing but spend our money. It is not my fault, Obama as an ivy league lawyer, that he doesn't have wisdom or the experience, to come up with important legislation. Don't give us some crap that just because he ran for white house 143 days in that he couldnt draft policy or legislation from the road if he wanted too. Maybe he could cut back on one of his daily trips to the gym or the basketball court. Why hasn't he drafted legislation now based on his presidential promises? What are we paying him for than in the Senate? You are telling me he isn't smart enough to pick up the phone and have his legislative aids put together the first draft for his review. Obama can write legislation as a Senator. He can't do that as President. Yet when he has had the chance, he does nothing. Tina,

“Since then he has been campaigning and debating, trying to make a change. How are we going to know what he can do if we don’t let him.”

Obama has had the time to make a difference. He chose not too just like most politicians in DC. They go there and get a fat paycheck and a big pension and do nothing but spend our money.

It is not my fault, Obama as an ivy league lawyer, that he doesn’t have wisdom or the experience, to come up with important legislation. Don’t give us some crap that just because he ran for white house 143 days in that he couldnt draft policy or legislation from the road if he wanted too. Maybe he could cut back on one of his daily trips to the gym or the basketball court. Why hasn’t he drafted legislation now based on his presidential promises? What are we paying him for than in the Senate?

You are telling me he isn’t smart enough to pick up the phone and have his legislative aids put together the first draft for his review.

Obama can write legislation as a Senator. He can’t do that as President. Yet when he has had the chance, he does nothing.

]]> By: Ben Keeler http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/#comment-311585 Ben Keeler Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:17:18 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3859#comment-311585 I at first thought nothing happened and that benefited Obama, as he is trying to run out the clock. I do think upon reflection that McCain got him pretty good a few times, small cuts, and we will see if there is an impact. I at first thought nothing happened and that benefited Obama, as he is trying to run out the clock. I do think upon reflection that McCain got him pretty good a few times, small cuts, and we will see if there is an impact.

]]> By: Robin http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/#comment-311583 Robin Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:14:03 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3859#comment-311583 I didn't watch, but just finished reading a rant from a reluctant McCain supporter about when he dropped his mortgage plan onto the crowd. There are a few 3rd party cadidates running. Bob Barr (L) Chuck Baldwin (C) Cynthia McKinney (G) Ralph Nader (I) Too bad the media never pays any attention to them. I didn’t watch, but just finished reading a rant from a reluctant McCain supporter about when he dropped his mortgage plan onto the crowd.

There are a few 3rd party cadidates running.

Bob Barr (L)
Chuck Baldwin (C)
Cynthia McKinney (G)
Ralph Nader (I)

Too bad the media never pays any attention to them.

]]> By: Tina http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/10/presidential-debatewho-actually-answered-the-questions/#comment-311577 Tina Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:37:48 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3859#comment-311577 Obama has been in the Senate for years and has not done jack to provide relief to americans struggling with this economy. So Obama voted on a bill or tagged along with someone elses idea and cosponsered something that was going to pass anyway. Big deal. Obama hasn’t had the balls or the wisdon to draft his own legilation to fix anything. What makes you think he will do it as president. Spare us the BS about Obama providing solutions. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Obama was a senator for only 143 days before he put his hat in the ring for President. Since then he has been campaigning and debating, trying to make a change. How are we going to know what he can do if we don't let him. Every man running for president has said what ever they needed to say to get elected for the job. The president can say what ever he wants even while in The White House, he is not the only decison maker. Why do ppl feel that the president has so much power. Obama has been in the Senate for years and has not done jack to provide relief to americans struggling with this economy. So Obama voted on a bill or tagged along with someone elses idea and cosponsered something that was going to pass anyway. Big deal.

Obama hasn’t had the balls or the wisdon to draft his own legilation to fix anything. What makes you think he will do it as president. Spare us the BS about Obama providing solutions.
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Obama was a senator for only 143 days before he put his hat in the ring for President. Since then he has been campaigning and debating, trying to make a change. How are we going to know what he can do if we don’t let him. Every man running for president has said what ever they needed to say to get elected for the job. The president can say what ever he wants even while in The White House, he is not the only decison maker. Why do ppl feel that the president has so much power.

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