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		<title>By: farang</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/08/szollosi-statement-on-payday-lending/#comment-303957</link>
		<dc:creator>farang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank Szollosi always seems to come out against people&#039;s freedoms. Whether it&#039;s smoking a cigarette or borrowing money it seems he wants to tell you what you can or cannot do. No thanks Frank!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank Szollosi always seems to come out against people&#8217;s freedoms. Whether it&#8217;s smoking a cigarette or borrowing money it seems he wants to tell you what you can or cannot do. No thanks Frank!</p>
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		<title>By: The Ghost of Abe Vigoda</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/08/szollosi-statement-on-payday-lending/#comment-302315</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ghost of Abe Vigoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can we expect every day citizens to live within their means when our federal government can&#039;t?  Throw the bums out!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can we expect every day citizens to live within their means when our federal government can&#8217;t?  Throw the bums out!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/08/szollosi-statement-on-payday-lending/#comment-301037</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is they guy that bought the $5 shot had the money in his hand to pay for it (probably).

As far as not regulating profits - have you read the papers lately? Greed and non-regulation are big factors in this entire subprime mess. How&#039;s that going for you?

Are you familiar with naked shorting? Another little deregulation loophole that is biting people in the arse.

I&#039;m not saying these are the only reasons - but if there was ever a business that does need some form of regulation, it is financial industry.

Some religions prohibit profiting based on loaning money. Money and debt are very, very slippery slopes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is they guy that bought the $5 shot had the money in his hand to pay for it (probably).</p>
<p>As far as not regulating profits &#8211; have you read the papers lately? Greed and non-regulation are big factors in this entire subprime mess. How&#8217;s that going for you?</p>
<p>Are you familiar with naked shorting? Another little deregulation loophole that is biting people in the arse.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying these are the only reasons &#8211; but if there was ever a business that does need some form of regulation, it is financial industry.</p>
<p>Some religions prohibit profiting based on loaning money. Money and debt are very, very slippery slopes.</p>
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		<title>By: bobthedad</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/08/szollosi-statement-on-payday-lending/#comment-301028</link>
		<dc:creator>bobthedad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making a profit is not a crime.  When we start regulating the profit margins of competitive business we are in big trouble.  The 391% doesn&#039;t tell you the whole story because the smaller the loan, when you factor in a fixed fee the higher the A.P.R. will be.

A guy goes into a bar. (no this is not a joke)  Orders a shot of liquor and pays $5 for a shot from a bottle the bar owner paid $15 for.  If he can sell 15 shots from the bottle, his profit margin is 400%.  In addition, a certain number of the customers don&#039;t handle their liquor well.  Government solution?  Since the bar owner is taking advantage by charging an outrageous markup and many of the patrons come back too often leading to serious personal problems so let&#039;s put a 20% limit on the markup and they have to sell shots for $1.20.  Bar goes out of business.

Shutting down the bar isn&#039;t going to solve the problem any more than closing the payday lenders.  Education in personal finances and a government that doesn&#039;t chase jobs out of the area will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making a profit is not a crime.  When we start regulating the profit margins of competitive business we are in big trouble.  The 391% doesn&#8217;t tell you the whole story because the smaller the loan, when you factor in a fixed fee the higher the A.P.R. will be.</p>
<p>A guy goes into a bar. (no this is not a joke)  Orders a shot of liquor and pays $5 for a shot from a bottle the bar owner paid $15 for.  If he can sell 15 shots from the bottle, his profit margin is 400%.  In addition, a certain number of the customers don&#8217;t handle their liquor well.  Government solution?  Since the bar owner is taking advantage by charging an outrageous markup and many of the patrons come back too often leading to serious personal problems so let&#8217;s put a 20% limit on the markup and they have to sell shots for $1.20.  Bar goes out of business.</p>
<p>Shutting down the bar isn&#8217;t going to solve the problem any more than closing the payday lenders.  Education in personal finances and a government that doesn&#8217;t chase jobs out of the area will.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/08/szollosi-statement-on-payday-lending/#comment-301019</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, I don&#039;t disagree that getting into the hole that some do who over borrow and end up in a cycle of loans is an ideal solution.  The reality of those I know who have done this, they don&#039;t have an option.  If they had overdraft protection, savings or a credit card that wasn&#039;t maxed out, they&#039;d use them.  

It&#039;s easy to say that people should save more, but there are a huge number of Ohioans living pay check to pay check and it can&#039;t all be blamed on financial irresponsibility.  Some do live above their means, but some have cut everything they can cut.   When I did the coverage of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3426&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Income Self Sufficiency&lt;/a&gt; results for Ohio, it points out what is the root cause of some turning to these payday loans.

Even if I remove the banking lobby scenario as a motivation, I understand why some are targeting the payday loan industry.  Yet  unless we focus on our economy and the root causes?  Having a bad safety net is better than no safety net at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I don&#8217;t disagree that getting into the hole that some do who over borrow and end up in a cycle of loans is an ideal solution.  The reality of those I know who have done this, they don&#8217;t have an option.  If they had overdraft protection, savings or a credit card that wasn&#8217;t maxed out, they&#8217;d use them.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to say that people should save more, but there are a huge number of Ohioans living pay check to pay check and it can&#8217;t all be blamed on financial irresponsibility.  Some do live above their means, but some have cut everything they can cut.   When I did the coverage of the <a href="http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=3426" rel="nofollow">Income Self Sufficiency</a> results for Ohio, it points out what is the root cause of some turning to these payday loans.</p>
<p>Even if I remove the banking lobby scenario as a motivation, I understand why some are targeting the payday loan industry.  Yet  unless we focus on our economy and the root causes?  Having a bad safety net is better than no safety net at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/08/szollosi-statement-on-payday-lending/#comment-301014</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we look at this slightly differently. I believe you are saying that desperate people need an option. I agree. I just don&#039;t agree that desperate people should be taken advantage of - all in the name of a business making money. In my opinion, this is exactly what predatory lending is. Just because it provides someout a short-term out, they have been been victimized. And yes, stupid them for following the pied-piper into the water - but 360% is being a victim. 

It&#039;s a pay me now or pay me later. While I appreciate your compassion for those that need the money, quickly, I just disagree with how they are getting it. Digging a hole you can&#039;t get out of is only making the problem worse. Compounding it with a company profiting on someone&#039;s misfortune is just plain wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we look at this slightly differently. I believe you are saying that desperate people need an option. I agree. I just don&#8217;t agree that desperate people should be taken advantage of &#8211; all in the name of a business making money. In my opinion, this is exactly what predatory lending is. Just because it provides someout a short-term out, they have been been victimized. And yes, stupid them for following the pied-piper into the water &#8211; but 360% is being a victim. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pay me now or pay me later. While I appreciate your compassion for those that need the money, quickly, I just disagree with how they are getting it. Digging a hole you can&#8217;t get out of is only making the problem worse. Compounding it with a company profiting on someone&#8217;s misfortune is just plain wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/08/szollosi-statement-on-payday-lending/#comment-301010</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, if they had savings?  They wouldn&#039;t use these loans and we will be bailing them out much sooner with the way things are heading...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, if they had savings?  They wouldn&#8217;t use these loans and we will be bailing them out much sooner with the way things are heading&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/08/szollosi-statement-on-payday-lending/#comment-300878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Whatever happened to “spending within your means” and “down-sizing your household”?

You are exactly correct but many don&#039;t do that. Americans don&#039;t save. Americans rack up huge unsecured debt.

You and I are going to end up bailing these people out eventually if they default, by paying higher fees for things that we use responsibly.

I&#039;m sorry, but if someone has an emergency and needs a car repaired, they could dip into their savings to fix it, charge it (and pay it back at payday), or take a bus, get a ride from a friend, ride a bicycle, take a taxi.

Come on, we know who this 360% interest is targeted at - exactly those who can&#039;t afford it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Whatever happened to “spending within your means” and “down-sizing your household”?</p>
<p>You are exactly correct but many don&#8217;t do that. Americans don&#8217;t save. Americans rack up huge unsecured debt.</p>
<p>You and I are going to end up bailing these people out eventually if they default, by paying higher fees for things that we use responsibly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but if someone has an emergency and needs a car repaired, they could dip into their savings to fix it, charge it (and pay it back at payday), or take a bus, get a ride from a friend, ride a bicycle, take a taxi.</p>
<p>Come on, we know who this 360% interest is targeted at &#8211; exactly those who can&#8217;t afford it.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d point out that the link I provided was not from the industry - that it was from CNN and that the other link provided earlier talks about the differences in some of the various research that was done.  It looks more closely at both sides of the discussion than most of the sites out there that have a bias one way or the other.  

Unless you are suggesting that CNN is a part of the industry...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d point out that the link I provided was not from the industry &#8211; that it was from CNN and that the other link provided earlier talks about the differences in some of the various research that was done.  It looks more closely at both sides of the discussion than most of the sites out there that have a bias one way or the other.  </p>
<p>Unless you are suggesting that CNN is a part of the industry&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/08/szollosi-statement-on-payday-lending/#comment-300833</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad. Here&#039;s a direct link to the CRL piece: http://www.responsiblelending.org/pdfs/crl-morgan-critique-12-10.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad. Here&#8217;s a direct link to the CRL piece: <a href="http://www.responsiblelending.org/pdfs/crl-morgan-critique-12-10.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.responsiblelending.org/pdfs/crl-morgan-critique-12-10.pdf</a></p>
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