Hey, sorry I was a Hussarian officer in Rush’s “Operation Chaos” Calvary. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Hussars#Tactics

Now a temporary member of the Lucas County Democrat “D” team. legality would prevent me from any official Republican activity at least for a couple years.

Just biding my time operating polishtoledo.com and it’s associated blog. Pestering our Senators and Representative in Congress about getting America back on its rightful track and enjoying an occasional chilled Zubrówka or one of 11 other Polish imports straight out of the freezer.

Any hardcore, no nonsense, private property rights, antisocialist, Lech Walesa or Ayn Rand types are more than welcome to the bar at Dom Kutylowski to lift a traditional vodka flute of Polish Bison Grass Infused Spirits now legal in the alcohol control state of Ohio due to my relentless petition. Dancing girls on Thursdays.

I’m really not that hard to find just call my appointment secretary at 206-203-1049.

As for the current state of LCRP – Glupszy niz ustawa przewiduje! Jebie jakby małpe rozdarł.

As for the previous state of LCRP – Glupszy niz ustawa przewiduje! Jebie jak z murzyńskiej chaty.

I’ll check the clerk of court records.

Thanks for the polite discussion, Doug. Maybe we’ll meet again on another thread. I look forward to it. You’ve been a genuine gentleman. I appreciate it.

You can twist Joanne Wack’s perjury every which way, but it still comes down to the fact she lied under oath. What incentive is there for people to tell the truth if they are immediately given the opportunity to do a make-good? Won’t people take their chances with a lie in our local court system, then clean up the mess if they get caught? It appears that Ms. Wack has had a lot of make-goods in her life. The Blade detailed today a number of times she was saved by making restitution in cases where she wrote bad checks and/or committed forgery. That was quite a long list of people who’d been ripped off by her. That they were eventually made whole again does not negate the fact that she did what she did. I looked up some of those charges and saw that she even blew off going to court and warrants had to be issued. She apparently does not have much respect for the justice system. If the GOP wants her, great, but isn’t it pathetic that in pointing out why they’re okay with keeping her employed, it has to be said that she doesn’t handle their money (see today’s Blade)? What a ringing endorsement for how much they trust her.

Looks like you and I are the only ones interested in this topic, so maybe we should give it a rest for the sake of everyone else’s patience. I doubt either of us can persuade the other to cross over to our point of view, so all we’re doing is beating a dead horse.

Bill Clinton still told a lie under oath. The difference between him and Joanne is that Joanne wasn’t under investigation herself. As for the the letter to the editor: the court proceedings are not a criminal matter and there was no prosecutor on the courtroom. At that moment, it is the attorney’s job to prove the perjury and the judge to determine the actions at that time. Because the lie was recanted, the perjury is vacated and such the proceedings continued on. This is common in most courtrooms, if you recant the lie on the stand, the perjury is then vacated.

Unlike Kwammi, with the fact he never recanted his testimony in court, the perjury case stands. Amazing how people assume how the court should do its job.

Bill Clinton has nothing to do with Joanne Wack, but that was a nice try. Today’s editorial in the Blade about perjury sums up my beliefs about the matter. Ms. Wack was not suffering from a memory lapse. She made that clear when explaining why she lied. The excuses you offer regarding her behavior hold about as much water as those you offer up on behalf of Mr. Wenzel.

As I’ve said before, I do not know Stainbrook well. It’s a superficial familiarity. For all I know, he secretly campaigned for John Kerry. However, from what I have personally heard come out of Jon Stainbrook’s mouth, he’s 100% Republican. I never heard him voice a single political view or support for any political candidate that I could agree with. I would call him a rabid Republican. It strikes me as silly to even try to paint him as a Democrat. I’d also like to remind you that being a Democrat is a good thing, so if you want to insult Stainbrook you should find another label to throw at him.

As for Noe, I believe some of her plans with her communications business wasn’t just to give Wenzel a job. I believe she had plans for her own political career to begin. As for hiring Wenzel, he has a lot of great experience in the area of politics. A great mind. And I believe he has a pretty good job right now with a big political communications firm.

Maybe Kidd wasn’t a liar, but was Wenzel charged with covering anything up. No! Just cause he didn’t investigate a story that happened during the middle of a heavy presidential campaign that saw Northwest Ohio in the middle of the fight, doesn’t mean he was in a cover-up. There was a lot of things to cover in the 2004 campaign.

And yes the investigation did discover the wrong-doings of Tom Noe, but would it have been coingate if not for the Blade and Democrats.

Another about Stainbrook and the book deal. I read what the TFP had published that he didn’t want them to. The fact that in the proposal they talk that Karl Rove stole the election. That tells me again that he has no Republican values. And saying that the Wenzel cover-up protected Bush in his reelection that Kidd and Stainbrook could have hindered. He would probably have been excited to see Kerry win and probably voted for him. To me, that is not a Republican. He might be think he is a Republican, but he isn’t.

As for the lie in court, didn’t Bill Clinton lie under oath. Wait, I’m sorry he didn’t have sex with her cause he received oral pleasure. I’m sure that many people have lied on the stand because they don’t remember everything in their lives. Its pretty hard for some people to even remember things they did yesterday when they are busy running an organization. Even if it was a felony, I’m sure she has paid her restitution and it doesn’t linger in her memory everyday. And the issue she was on the stand for was regarding whether or not someone is a valid member of the Republican Central Committee. This wasn’t a criminal case and she wasn’t on trial.

I was told that Wenzel intended to go into business with Mrs. Noe in a political communication firm but Coingate’s gaining steam messed up those plans. That information may or may not be true (I have no way of knowing), but if you check the Secretary of State filings you’ll see that Mrs. Noe filed for an LLC on April 8, 2005, using the Catawba Island address. Wenzel left the Blade May 13, 2005, and in a few days was working on Jean Schmidt’s campaign. In other words, he was in the political communications business. Mrs. Noe’s LLC was for a communications firm.

Do you really believe the only reason the feds conducted the Coingate investigation is because of pressure from the Blade and the Dems? You don’t think that the coins reported missing from Tom’s business caused them to look at Noe’s activities? You think they would have just ignored the information that was surfacing and said, “We’ll sit on this unless the Democrats or the Blade tell us it needs to be investigated”? I give the feds credit for being a bit more autonomous than that.

Ms. Wack’s felony conviction may have been twenty years ago, but her lie under oath is only about one day old. It’s interesting that the GOP doesn’t see that as a problem, yet it’s really terrible that Stainbrook recruited several poll workers, not all of whom showed up for training. See why I’m a Democrat? We’d be celebrating the ones who did show up.

And maybe your right about him having money, he is sure spending a ton of money on legal cost just to try and get his people into the central committee. He is trying way to hard for this chairmanship. He is worst then Clemens taking steroids, winning the chairmanship in courtrooms and in bars (where he recruited some individuals) is not the sign of a leader. If he truly was a Republican, he would have found a better way to get political strength.

As for him recruiting poll workers: I was told by people at the Board of Elections that Jon recruited many workers and that his group needed a training session for just them. When it came to training day a very small percentage of that group showed up. Which still left the BOE struggling to fill the positions.

As for coingate, the dems and the Blade truly pushed it into coingate, the federal investigation only brought up allegations and needed a push that the Blade and Dems provided. And no I am not taking a political stand, as everything played out, it was appropriate for the Dems to push for a deep investigation into the BWC.

As for the Wenzel story, all well known republicans knew he was a Republican and that the Noe’s got Wenzel into some rooms just being a reporter wouldn’t. But as for him being payed by the Noe’s is so far from the truth. And if he was not reporting on the Noe scandal back when Kidd supposedly contacted him, it could be that he knew that Kidd was disgruntled towards the Noe’s and that maybe had been skeptical towards the source. And Wenzel left the Blade as coingate began. Which would be the time I thought Jon Stainbrook was living elsewhere then in Lucas County.

In the few conversations I’ve had with Stainbrook, I’ve heard him voice GOP values and also Christian values. His faith appears to be very important to him.

I don’t know anything about his ability to schmooze nor do I know how important that ability is in a chairman. However, I do think motivating volunteers is a good thing. Didn’t he also round up people to work at the polls for pay? I have a vague memory of having read that he did that at a time when workers were hard to find. Maybe I’m confusing him with someone else.

I have no idea if the people he signed up will show up for the meeting. If I had my way, no Republicans would show up for any meetings, ever. I like having the Dems in control. But, what if they do show up? Will that change your view of his efforts to get them involved?

I also do not know where Jon was living when Coingate broke, but I think it’s fairly well-known that he did tell several people in the media about Wenzel. It was not Democrats who turned the fundraising investigation into Coingate. It was state and federal investigators who did that. Not everything is about politics.