Comments on: City Council and legislation concerns… http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/ Wed, 18 Aug 2010 02:25:57 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: LisaRenee http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/#comment-273987 LisaRenee Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:11:02 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2793#comment-273987 But jrs, you did not make a promise to put everything on the agenda with the only codicil being that it pass legal. I don't disagree with you on the Parliamentary procedures or even a clear understanding of the rules of Council. I've seen more than a few occasions since I have increased my focus on Council meetings that there is an issue with not understanding the rules and there ends up having to be a delay while they wait for a ruling from the Law Director. But jrs, you did not make a promise to put everything on the agenda with the only codicil being that it pass legal. I don’t disagree with you on the Parliamentary procedures or even a clear understanding of the rules of Council. I’ve seen more than a few occasions since I have increased my focus on Council meetings that there is an issue with not understanding the rules and there ends up having to be a delay while they wait for a ruling from the Law Director.

]]> By: jrs http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/#comment-273985 jrs Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:06:09 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2793#comment-273985 If the question of splitting the bids was raised back in January (I assume the legal question is whether they CAN be split ?) what has Sobczak been doing all of this time ? As coucil Pres. it's his job to move things along, get answers for his fellow councilmen, etc. Why does he consistently act like a boob ? So I guess the best possible course would be to split the bid and save $6mil, the next best would be to award the bid to URS as it's $2mil less than Veatch (against comm recommendation), and finally they could just award the contract to Veatch. I occaisionally turn board members down on their request to put something on an agenda, for many reasons. I also make sure that my members are familiar with Parlimentary procedure so that they understand the balance of power that exists. Again, Sobczak seems to be in over his head as council president. If the question of splitting the bids was raised back in January (I assume the legal question is whether they CAN be split ?) what has Sobczak been doing all of this time ? As coucil Pres. it’s his job to move things along, get answers for his fellow councilmen, etc. Why does he consistently act like a boob ?

So I guess the best possible course would be to split the bid and save $6mil, the next best would be to award the bid to URS as it’s $2mil less than Veatch (against comm recommendation), and finally they could just award the contract to Veatch.

I occaisionally turn board members down on their request to put something on an agenda, for many reasons. I also make sure that my members are familiar with Parlimentary procedure so that they understand the balance of power that exists. Again, Sobczak seems to be in over his head as council president.

]]> By: neighborhood concerns http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/#comment-273978 neighborhood concerns Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:32:08 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2793#comment-273978 "I had asked Councilman McNamara to hold those up for a week so more discussion could take place," Mr. Sobczak said. "If the members of council want to have a hearing, we can have a hearing because it's still in committee." http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080318/NEWS16/803180356/-1/NEWS Interesting. So the legislation proposed is in a committee and being discussed. This is a road block? Maybe if there was better time management and not the mad rush to bear the clock, these matters would not be coming up year after year after year. “I had asked Councilman McNamara to hold those up for a week so more discussion could take place,” Mr. Sobczak said. “If the members of council want to have a hearing, we can have a hearing because it’s still in committee.”

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080318/NEWS16/803180356/-1/NEWS

Interesting.

So the legislation proposed is in a committee and being discussed.

This is a road block?

Maybe if there was better time management and not the mad rush to bear the clock, these matters would not be coming up year after year after year.

]]> By: Not Again http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/#comment-273976 Not Again Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:47:07 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2793#comment-273976 In my experience as an auditor for an international registrar, should and shall are not at all the same. Must, Shall, Should, Will and May Throughout the organization, when used in the context of actions by this organization or others and to be consistent with standard engineering practices, the following words have specific meanings: • 'Must' is used only where a provision is a statutory requirement. • 'Shall' is used where a provision is mandatory. • 'Should' is used where a provision is preferred. • 'Will' is used normally in connection with an action by the organization, rather than by a contractor or supplier. 'May' is used where alternatives are equally acceptable. In my experience as an auditor for an international registrar, should and shall are not at all the same.

Must, Shall, Should, Will and May
Throughout the organization, when used in the context of actions by this organization or others and to be consistent with standard engineering practices, the following words have specific meanings:
• ‘Must’ is used only where a provision is a statutory requirement.
• ‘Shall’ is used where a provision is mandatory.
• ‘Should’ is used where a provision is preferred.
• ‘Will’ is used normally in connection with an action by the organization, rather than by a contractor or supplier.

‘May’ is used where alternatives are equally acceptable.

]]> By: neighborhood concerns http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/#comment-273937 neighborhood concerns Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:07:03 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2793#comment-273937 "Well, it depends on what your meaning of “is” is…." Didn't a fellow politician say that? Or one who was not being forthright as in say one thing and mean another. Business as usual “Well, it depends on what your meaning of “is” is….”

Didn’t a fellow politician say that?

Or one who was not being forthright as in say one thing and mean another.

Business as usual

]]> By: neighborhood concerns http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/#comment-273936 neighborhood concerns Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:05:09 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2793#comment-273936 The usage of words, is fun. My ex won a suit against a former employer, and one of the keys of success was the word, basically. When she was speaking to an attorney and retelling the story of the how's and why, the business did something and the person in charge said basically that is why, what happened, happened. The attorney and me, both went, basically? The use of that word, said that was more than was being told. She won, they lost, all because of one word. The usage of words, is fun.

My ex won a suit against a former employer, and one of the keys of success was the word, basically.

When she was speaking to an attorney and retelling the story of the how’s and why, the business did something and the person in charge said basically that is why, what happened, happened.

The attorney and me, both went, basically?

The use of that word, said that was more than was being told. She won, they lost, all because of one word.

]]> By: LisaRenee http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/#comment-273935 LisaRenee Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:04:29 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2793#comment-273935 Bad Emily... NC, the legislation Frank mentioned is the legislation that was kept off the agenda... See Comment #17 for what I know about it. Bad Emily…

NC, the legislation Frank mentioned is the legislation that was kept off the agenda…

See Comment #17 for what I know about it.

]]> By: Emily http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/#comment-273934 Emily Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:02:03 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2793#comment-273934 Semantics?? "It goes to intent and usage, not the literal meaning or reading of the word." Well, it depends on what your meaning of "is" is.... (Sorry, I couldn't help myself) Semantics??

“It goes to intent and usage, not the literal meaning or reading of the word.”

Well, it depends on what your meaning of “is” is….

(Sorry, I couldn’t help myself)

]]> By: neighborhood concerns http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/#comment-273933 neighborhood concerns Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:01:07 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2793#comment-273933 "# # 3 Frank Szollosi Says: March 17th, 2008 at 1:52 pm There’s a $6,000,000 difference between the legislation Sobczak supports and the legislation he’s blocking. That is, an additional 6m from taxpayers. Look for Webb to offer an amendment increasing minority participation goals to try and garner the votes needed for the 6m-plus plan. Lots of money on the table = power politics from Sobczak, Finkbeiner & co." What legislation? “# # 3 Frank Szollosi Says:
March 17th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

There’s a $6,000,000 difference between the legislation Sobczak supports and the legislation he’s blocking. That is, an additional 6m from taxpayers. Look for Webb to offer an amendment increasing minority participation goals to try and garner the votes needed for the 6m-plus plan. Lots of money on the table = power politics from Sobczak, Finkbeiner & co.”

What legislation?

]]> By: LisaRenee http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2008/03/city-council-and-legislation-concerns/#comment-273932 LisaRenee Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:00:25 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2793#comment-273932 I can't give you more specific information on the actual resolution, I have not yet been given it beyond what I posted I knew about it. Since that for me wasn't why I was pointing this out, I didn't wait until I had that. I can’t give you more specific information on the actual resolution, I have not yet been given it beyond what I posted I knew about it. Since that for me wasn’t why I was pointing this out, I didn’t wait until I had that.

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