Comments on: It’s not just Toledo that has a problem with free speech… http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/ Wed, 18 Aug 2010 02:25:57 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: neighborhood concerns http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/#comment-138353 neighborhood concerns Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:59:17 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=1718#comment-138353 " “I'm upset with the state legislature not doing anything to [State Rep. Tom] Brinkman for doing this. They should throw him out of office.” Hon. Robert P. Ruehlman, July 11, 2007, Ohio v. Mingo,Ward " One month ago this week, the Cincinnati Enquirer ran a front page story titled: “Judge: Brinkman the ‘real criminal". In a stunning sentencing involving two people hired by Brinkman to collect the signatures needed to challenge Cincinnati’s gay rights ordinance, Hamilton County Judge Robert Ruehlman condemned the behavior of Brinkman. The Judge openly questioned why the Ohio House allowed his fellow Republican to continue to serve, despite his role in the election fraud case before him. http://www.progressohio.org/page/community/post/brianrothenberg/CLFs ” “I’m upset with the state legislature not doing anything to [State Rep. Tom] Brinkman for doing this. They should throw him out of office.”
Hon. Robert P. Ruehlman, July 11, 2007, Ohio v. Mingo,Ward ”

One month ago this week, the Cincinnati Enquirer ran a front page story titled: “Judge: Brinkman the ‘real criminal”.

In a stunning sentencing involving two people hired by Brinkman to collect the signatures needed to challenge Cincinnati’s gay rights ordinance, Hamilton County Judge Robert Ruehlman condemned the behavior of Brinkman. The Judge openly questioned why the Ohio House allowed his fellow Republican to continue to serve, despite his role in the election fraud case before him.

http://www.progressohio.org/page/community/post/brianrothenberg/CLFs

]]> By: Robin http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/#comment-136826 Robin Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:00:21 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=1718#comment-136826 Kurt, are you sure that these people were actually registering people to vote. It sounds like they could have been attempting to gather info for ID theft purposes. Kurt, are you sure that these people were actually registering people to vote. It sounds like they could have been attempting to gather info for ID theft purposes.

]]> By: Jill http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/#comment-136126 Jill Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:15:18 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=1718#comment-136126 Kurt, as much as I do not want to believe us, there is still, sincerely, the outside chance that those folks asking you to re-register actually BELIEVED whatever they had been told. Think about the news we've been reading over the last many years about how poorly kids do in civics etc. I am sad to say that my kids have come home from school with study guides that are wrong (one in particular about Ohio government!!). So - no excuse for it, just saying - it's possible those folks talking to you were parroting what they'd heard, without questioning it. Kurt, as much as I do not want to believe us, there is still, sincerely, the outside chance that those folks asking you to re-register actually BELIEVED whatever they had been told. Think about the news we’ve been reading over the last many years about how poorly kids do in civics etc. I am sad to say that my kids have come home from school with study guides that are wrong (one in particular about Ohio government!!).

So – no excuse for it, just saying – it’s possible those folks talking to you were parroting what they’d heard, without questioning it.

]]> By: neighborhood concerns http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/#comment-136104 neighborhood concerns Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:41:33 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=1718#comment-136104 Is it possible that the public is a tad burned out with the ad's on television, internet, radio that have become so pointed and sharp that the message is lost? And conversely the public, some, is repulsed by a political proposal of any stripe and react badly. Is it possible that the public is a tad burned out with the ad’s on television, internet, radio that have become so pointed and sharp that the message is lost?

And conversely the public, some, is repulsed by a political proposal of any stripe and react badly.

]]> By: LisaRenee http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/#comment-135973 LisaRenee Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:55:04 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=1718#comment-135973 Great minds think alike... :-) Great minds think alike…

]]> By: Kurt http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/#comment-135972 Kurt Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:52:02 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=1718#comment-135972 That was my thought too (the bonus scenario). I'm not much of a conspiracy therorist, but I think it raises the question. That was my thought too (the bonus scenario). I’m not much of a conspiracy therorist, but I think it raises the question.

]]> By: LisaRenee http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/#comment-135971 LisaRenee Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:47:51 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=1718#comment-135971 Kurt, I agree 100%, I can understand why it disturbed you, and thanks to you being an informed voter, you knew what they were telling you was wrong. It almost makes me wonder if they were operating on some type of bonus scenario for registering voters, hence why they tried to get as many people as they could, even those who were already registered. Kurt, I agree 100%, I can understand why it disturbed you, and thanks to you being an informed voter, you knew what they were telling you was wrong.

It almost makes me wonder if they were operating on some type of bonus scenario for registering voters, hence why they tried to get as many people as they could, even those who were already registered.

]]> By: Kurt http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/#comment-135967 Kurt Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:40:38 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=1718#comment-135967 I agree Lisa, just wanted to demonstrate all sides. Honestly, that experience truly bothered me. I thought it was appropriate to express it in this thread. I agree Lisa, just wanted to demonstrate all sides. Honestly, that experience truly bothered me. I thought it was appropriate to express it in this thread.

]]> By: LisaRenee http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/#comment-135965 LisaRenee Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:37:18 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=1718#comment-135965 Our government has it's pluses as well as it's minuses, but I thought it was worth it to point out that other areas are also experiencing similar problems. Not to excuse ours away but to show it's something that affects more of us than I think at times we realize. We could have a much worse government than we do have... Our government has it’s pluses as well as it’s minuses, but I thought it was worth it to point out that other areas are also experiencing similar problems. Not to excuse ours away but to show it’s something that affects more of us than I think at times we realize.

We could have a much worse government than we do have…

]]> By: LisaRenee http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2007/08/its-not-just-toledo-that-has-a-problem-with-free-speech/#comment-135961 LisaRenee Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:35:10 +0000 http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=1718#comment-135961 How about we focus on educating both, that way we have informed signature gatherers and informed voters. That would create a win/win scenario. I think the main reason I try to focus on the voters aspect it's something we can do as far as a personal responsibility level to make sure that what a signature gatherer is telling us is really the case. How about we focus on educating both, that way we have informed signature gatherers and informed voters. That would create a win/win scenario. I think the main reason I try to focus on the voters aspect it’s something we can do as far as a personal responsibility level to make sure that what a signature gatherer is telling us is really the case.

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